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2004-05-19, 11:19 | Link #23 | |
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The same effect could have been achieved by just showing them laying on the floor or leaning against the walls. There is no need to have them all laying on the floor in the positions that they were in. Project Aika is another good example of excessive and unwarrented fanservice. |
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2004-05-19, 11:21 | Link #24 | ||
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2004-05-19, 13:53 | Link #26 | |
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Yes, fanservice does exist, and in ever increasing ACs (action cuts) everytime. But then, your quote actually made me wonder why we never kick our mindset to question the animators choice in placing that scene. To us, the fanservice ACs such as "panty shots," "guy accidentally going into a bath where the girl is taking a shower," etc. etc. are more of a cliche. To us, it is nothing more than what usually happens next: a girl screaming "kya~!! XXX-san/kun no ecchi~~~!!" Let me give you an example: Every child in Japan (at least in the past thirty years) grows up watching "Doraemon." It's a pasttime, a national icon of an anime up there along with "Sazae-san." In about one in ten episodes, there is always a scene where the main character, Nobita-kun "accidentally" uses Doraemon's dokodemo-door and ends up in Shizuka-chan's bathroom. Then there are scenes where there is a panchila shot of Shizuka-chan when the wind blows. Both the current anime viewers and the animators themselves were watching "Doraemon" as a child. The next generation of children are also watching "Doraemon" as I speak. What you have here is a cliche. It's a recurring gag that stems from what we thought to be amusing and funny as a child. If a person who hasn't grown up in Japanese society, it will be difficult to grasp the idea of this and be viewed as rather pointless. A very bad analogy in American cartoon terms would be something like seeing a scene where an anvil drops on top of someone's head and the image of Wile E. Coyote pops into your head. I personally think this is pointless as well, but then again, I never lived in America. But in a sense, wouldn't such scenes in your country be considered a sort of "fan-service" as well? But then, we come back and start seeing a bunch of anime with tons of fanservice nowadays. It comes to a point that it is not amusing anymore, but to a feeling of desensitization. |
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2004-05-19, 14:54 | Link #27 | |
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More and more anime being broadcast on TV feature sex scenes or masturbation, KimiNozo for example comes to mind. Sure they are not "explicit" and some would call the scenes "tasteful" but it still sounds softcore to me... I usually judge whether a series has "excessive" fanservice on a case by case basis. Sometimes I think its hilarious when the anime makes fun of excessive fanservice, like in Wandaba Style or Puni Puni Poemi. Even Green Green was funny at times for me, like the fangirl who dreams of bishounen and only gets ugly, horny teenage nerds. Only "at times" though. As for sexuality being broadcast on US TV, I think its also become more and more liberal. I already feel uncomfortable watching MTV if my parents are in the room. And strangely, they'll show sex scenes on daytime soap operas but no nipples or genitals. I wouldn't worry about the degredation of anime though. The increased fanservice is mostly visible in the same genres they always existed in: ecchi, comedy, bishoujo, and boy's romance shows. I don't think its infecting anime as a whole, we're just seeing more offerings from the same genres that always featured fanservice. |
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2004-05-19, 17:24 | Link #28 |
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"Pornography is what an individual deems him/herself to define as pornography."
Yes, it never came to my mind that showing panty shots or boobs is pornography. We all come from different cultures and were raised differently. Which makes totally different individuals. "I don't mind if just one panty shot or two, the one I mind is those out of place or excessive amount." This is also what annoys me. The story suffers with to much fanservice. I don´t mind going nude to an onsen or having sex, but it must fit into the plot. I liked the sex in KGNE. Ok, it was not absolutely necessary, but for me it was well placed. Sometimes I even highly enjoy fanservice. Ryoko in an onsen for example. That is something I wouldn´t mind to do myself with a beer (and with maybe Ryoko) . Last edited by Bracken33; 2004-05-19 at 17:48. |
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2004-05-20, 00:16 | Link #33 | |
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2004-05-20, 00:20 | Link #34 |
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In my opinion, Mahoromatic is pretty tame actually. Sure, you see quite a lot of breasts, but so what? It's natural and the only difference from a male chest is that it's bigger (not always, if a guy is extremely buff or obese) and that it's used to feed babies. There are the occasional panty shots in Mahoromatic, but they often serve a purpose, like in the Dark Martial Arts-tournament where the girls distract Hamaji and K-what'shisname - I almost laughed my ass off at that one.
I must be weird since I have no problems at all with nudity, male or female, but skimpiness and panty shots and such are things I disagree with. |
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2004-05-20, 03:25 | Link #37 |
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I never thought of this ecchi scene as an soft porn...
Ok, basically i'm a christian with a hard beliefs and i am baptist with the faith of God Lord Jesus and not to mention...i never seen a naked female human before... Ahem... now after the introduction... i would like to stated this... i've watch alots of damn anime with Ecchi + Hentai scene that is too much for me to remembered. Let me get this straight, Anime is drawn by human using their imaginations and is afterall an artwork...is not real and i must comen that those art are very beautiful. While a soft porn include real human acters and actress which expose their sex parts which i think is absolute a disgrace. i would never watch porn movies that include real human in it as i'll be breaking my own taboo and to makes matter worst is a sin towards this human comunity. But as a perfect born male with human desire, is hard for a guy to resist female temptations but i manage to get off it so far... anyway watching this kind of anime is somehow manage to release the beast in me without hurting or breaking any taboo as it doesn't concern humanity. So conclusion, Anime is an ART!!! while naked woman can be an ART if it is drawn into a picture but IF it is real life actions then is a DISGRACE!!! AMEN... |
2004-05-20, 10:54 | Link #40 |
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Yuun, it's quite scary actually... you and I are in almost exactly the same boat. But, a little while ago, I came to the realization that what I was mostly trying to do was rationalize behaviour that I knew was questionable at best according to my stated moral standards.
Like you, the thought of watching porn with "real life" actors has never been appealing to me at all... I always thought of it as a disgrace and, above all I guess, just plain disgusting. But, while I haven't watched much "hentai" anime, I was able to rationalize it more with the same argument you were using: it's not real, it's just art; no one is getting hurt. And while it is a comfort to my ethical side, it doesn't remove the moral problem. Depending on your personality, art (like anime) can be just as erotic as seeing the real thing. As you say, it's a way to deal with sexual frustration, but that doesn't remove the moral dillemma. |
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