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No, that's just my personal name for that "higher plane" where the three ( and Brera ) were able to communicate with each other, including distant healing and giving out highly unnecessary slaps do dying persons.
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It's not as if the creators wanted to resolve the triangle, after all. That they still failed so badly at keeping it even is a bit of a blemish on their otherwise excellent work. But, as I said before, it's just another option, one which actually could be interwoven with the more romantic options. Quote:
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I wonder how a timeline from how Alto perceives his situation would look. Maybe when I get enough free time in the future, I could try to compile what I think his thoughts on all the happenings would have been, although that will probably appear quite slanted to Ranka fans. But I maintain that there is a pretty distinct timeline when Alto decided that he did not, after all, want to pursue Ranka romantically. Ranka had a chance, in the timeframe of episodes 12-15, but that was one surge which came to absolutely nothing, especially after the downer moment for their romantic relationship in episode 17.
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2. That was the plan which she wanted to spread to other colonies hence the need for Sheryl. 3. Again still not proving anything 4. I already stated why that could be a possibility 5. refer to number 4 6. You know Grace isn't far from Brera, plus she planned this for years, I'd imagine there isn't much of any lag when the message isn't being sent very far. Quote:
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The scene where Ai-kun turns on Ranka to capture her and gives her to Grace. Quote:
From episode 24, near the start. Plus she monitors fold-waves during the series - you need fold-quartz for that. And she would obviously be using her own zero-time-implant technology, there's more than one Grace (clones) at most times remember? Quote:
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EDIT : And I was just sayin' Alto can fly all around the planet, with the earring, while hearing Sheryl+Ranka singing, not saying there necessarily going to be repeating the mystical scene from ep 25. Quote:
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The only relevant line Sheryl actually needed to overhear was the "Kill Ranka"/"So this is your Love" lines near the end. She could have first been sighted, 40,35,30,25,20 seconds before this final line is heard without any difficulty. Along with Michel's various series comments on the matter, I think this backs up my interpretation of what Alto was alluding to. They could even have left the "hand opening the door" off completely, and had Sheryl shown at the end, that'd make no difference at all to your interpretations. This is no way conflicts with the other elements in the conversation you've noticed. Quote:
The second half of the series has Brera as Ranka's bodyguard, and her under government protection, which reduced Alto's ability to access Ranka whether he want to or not (hence having to sneak in, in ep 17). Awkward moments prove nothing about someones inner feelings. Quote:
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Just that Brera was a cyborg controlled by Grace, and Grace's control technology was based on fold-quartz. Quote:
You said "Alto never heard both girls singing in episode 7". That was your position. I cited two scenes from episode 15 with the timings, where separate witnesses including Alto make a counter claim in their own words. I'm not mixing anything. Both those ep 15 scenes coincide with flashbacks to the scene we've been discussing. and specifically mention both girls being heard in the ep 7 battle. Alto and Brera heard them. You've yet to show how these two sources are not relevant to discussing the ep 7 event. Quote:
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Where did I quote you wrong? Maybe your just trolling. Look further down, I found proof of you creating a fake quote of me posted hours after I last edited my post. I'm waiting to see whether you edit out the fake quote and claim it never happened. Quote:
Back to what you call my "other arguments" which was pointing out the scene 12 minutes into episode 25 shows full communication between the 3 main characters. Since you correctly said "no" to my question, do you have any objections other than "deus Ex Machina" to this scene being relevant? Quote:
2. Sheryl wouldn't have anything directly to do with the implant plan. She was for the "Plan B" Vajra attacks. 6. Grace has realtime access to Brera even while he's light-years away, which would take years to communicate by normal means. And she had zero-time implant network tech, which of course she would have used. Quote:
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"The final episodes have revealed that the Vajra communicate using a fold network activated by the fold quartz in the V-Type microorganisms that they carry inside the organs of their body." http://moa.dracandros.com/Vajra_%28Macross%29 "[...] However, it determined that the Vajra's network of intestinal germs emit a type of fold wave which transmit information." http://www.robotechx.com/forums/32-m...-frontier.html "Since she's infected with this virus, she has microscopic trace elements of Fold Quartz in her body. This is the substance the Vajra use to fold without the time-dilation issues that Humans, Zentradi, and the Protoculture encountered, therefore presenting a more efficient and less time-consuming fold." NOTE in Mac Frontier, all the times they say that Fold Quartz is the source of fold-waves. They never say "fold quartz and/or various stomach bacteria". Last edited by user112168; 2010-09-29 at 17:00. |
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And I can at the drop of a hat cite a pretty long list of things which very much indicate that the ending of the show was just where things stopped for us, but that the probably outcome is with near certainty an Sheryl x Alto pairing. In fact, I already did so here. Quote:
I think the burden of proof is on you to provide evidence that him generally saying he was ignoring things meant specifically that he ignored Sheryls romantic advances because he loves Ranka romantically. Sheryl arriving on the rooftop doesn't mean anything more that she was included in that statement and was supposed to hear and misunderstand his lines which followed after. Quote:
The only point of contention would be that I still kinda think that maybe Ranka was supposed to fail so badly at life. There is still the school of thought that Ranka was supposed to be a deconstruction of moe characters and her subsequent failures at simply conquering everything through being cute was intended from the start. Since the creators of the show are always being so damned coy about their real intentions and motivations for building the characters and their interactions, we'll probably never know, but it appears to me to be a valid school of thought. Quote:
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Flying. And the girls + their singing. Pretty much Alto's reason for life, no reason he wouldn't continue to combine the two now that he can. Quote:
Only in an Alto x Ranka pairing would he have any likelyhood of having to give the earring back. Quote:
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EDIT : Just started reading your Essay on the romance. One thing : Ranka doesn't actually get saved by Alto very often, any more than Sheryl does. Ranka's plights are just a little more dramatic. If you count "rescue from physical harm by flying". He rescues Sheryl in eps 1 & 8, and Ranka in ep 2. So, there's more Sheryl-rescues than Ranka-rescues at least up to ep 10. From ep10 onwards, Alto tries to rescue Ranka a couple more times, but is always pipped-at-the-post by Brera. Hence his line at the end of the series (paraphrasing) "this time Ranka, I WILL rescue you" With the final rescue, it puts Alto at 2-2 for physical rescues of Sheryl / Ranka Ranka is saved by Brera twice (ep10 , ep15), and Sheryl requires saving twice more too (Gallia-IV and the finale) Let me know if i missed any. Last edited by user112168; 2010-09-29 at 19:23. |
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The whole thing started when I suggested Alto having the earring at the end of the series allows him to have some contact with both girls. i.e. flying around, while listening to their singing. *snip* Last edited by CrowKenobi; 2010-09-30 at 00:02. Reason: Removed flame-bait. Don't let it happen again. |
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And then it began all to crumble from the next episode forward... Quote:
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Well, I'll just count the unsuccessful ones, too. The intent was there and Ranka noticed the selfsame. And he did save Ranka in ep 10 by delaying the Hydra from pouncing on her. He saves ( or tries to save ) Ranka in episodes: 1, 2, 10, 13, 14, 16, 25. And protects her during episodes 20+21 He saves Sheryl in episodes: 8, 14. Episode 1 doesn't count, because he pushed her off the stage himself. There's a reason why I think "Taskete, Alto-kun!" is Rankas mating cry.
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2010-10-29, 19:32 | Link #2196 | |
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I figured the voices were the other members of the Galaxy leadership. Of course even the series largely leaves Galaxy apparently intact. I mean Alto flies through the cruiser formation but we never actually see any of them blow up, unless they do off screen. Given implants and how Brera was totally subjugated, and if we include some of the more scary notions in Sheryl's manga (All of Galaxy's citizens requiring implants, which could include what Brera had), then it's possible they already have an army of several million, not to mention AIs equivalent to Sharon Apple to control Ghost V-9s or whatever else they want to field. All in all a pretty scary notion for NUNS given the slaughter VF-27s and Ghost V-9s can inflict upon their red shirt pilots in those old VF-171s. I mean heck I doubt the Nightmare Plus is as good as even the VF-19, and that plane is almost two decades old. |
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2010-10-31, 18:24 | Link #2198 |
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Personally I think they're switching the movie from Macross Zero to a remake of DYRL, thus the VF-1 Strike Pack. I mean if it's an enemy that's not going to be very scary given just how OLD that plane is. I mean unless the pilot is Max Jenius, I'm pretty sure Alto can beat it handily with a VF-25.
Actually yes, I am going to say a DYRL remake. And I have a guess as to who is going to play Minmay~ |
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