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It is important to keep in mind that her announcement is aimed mostly, if not entirely, at the domestic Japanese market. And writing an author to tell them about how you're avoiding paying for their work while saying how much you like it is indeed facepalm worthy. Quote:
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2010-08-17, 08:24 | Link #25 |
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I don't really see why people keep pointing out that the announcement was made for Japanese people about filesharing anime in Japan.
from my experience, the whole fansubbers code of no longer distributing once it's licensed is long dead (and I've seen blogs and interviews to back that up). So what's really the difference between a Japanese person dwnloading anime or a foreigner downloading an anime that's already been dubbed? The producers, VAs, translators, etc all still lose money. I think the big factor in not buying anime is the cost, and the fact that it is a complete luxury. Even when/if I do buy, it's generally just for the collection value of it (and by "value" I mean sentimental value). Not because I plan to read or watch it again and again (certainly not enough to make it worth buying a $50-70 boxed set) But the way I see it, is that in the long run I have helped support the anime industry. I've bought anime related products in at least 4 countries...even if each item wasn't that much, my buying helps contribute to figures which translate to more chance of more anime being brought overseas which snowballs into more people watching,buying,telling their friends, etc. I've introduced people to anime, attended anime clubs, gone to (a) conventions...all which indirectly helps support the anime industry. I'm not pretending that it makes it ok to download or stream anime...but at least it's not a total loss for the industry, and if I were to buy every anime that I ever watched (or even lets say every anime that I enjoyed and watched a significant amount of it) then my hobby would quickly become much too expensive and I would have to stick to whatever comes across the air waves (kidsWB guys, yay!). Trust me, if I was still stuck watching pokemon and Yugioh I definitely would not have pored any money into the industry. Some money is better than no money... one more note regarding it though, I actually stream most of my anime and only download the really good ones..and I absolutely don't mind watching two or three 30 second ads during the show if I know it's helping keep the industry and site running. There should be more of that available
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2010-08-17, 08:58 | Link #26 | |
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And, even the animes that do get licensed, often take a very long time to make it over to foreign markets as a legal product for sale with an English (or French, or Spanish, or Mexican, etc...) dub. I firmly believe that a lot of what drives fansub downloads and anime filesharing, in non-Japanese markets, is a simple speed desire. In other words, the fans want to get to watch the anime as soon as possible. This speed issue isn't really a factor for the local Japanese population, as they can just watch the anime on their actual TV stations the very moment it airs for the first time. Granted, some animes have abysmal time slots in Japan, but at least the option is there to simply turn on the TV, click over to one of your perfectly legal TV channels, and watch the anime the moment it becomes available for public viewing.
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2010-08-17, 09:26 | Link #27 | |
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2010-08-17, 11:37 | Link #29 |
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Well I'm brittish. I dont think we have ANY anime TV channels, and Anime is too expensive to import from america. I usually watch animes and If I like them, and not too expensive, I buy them. For me, at least, If Anime developers dislike illegal viewing/downloading, they should actually sell the animes in my country.
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2010-08-17, 11:54 | Link #30 | |
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A friend bought be a bleach manga for £8 ($16), yet on DVD, the entire box set series 1 costs only £12 ($24) So it puts me off buying manga. if manga was £3-4 not £7-8, I'd buy lots more.
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2010-08-17, 12:36 | Link #31 |
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Legal anime streaming websites in Japan... do they cost money or are they ad-supported like Hulu?
Also, it's interesting that the author is so young (26 according to wikipedia) and doesn't realize the futility of campaigning against piracy. |
2010-08-17, 12:40 | Link #32 | ||
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I'd be annoyed too if supposed fans kept writing to tell me aren't/won't pay for my work, despite loving it enough to actually write a message. Though I do agree, the industry itself is causing most of the issues, but that doesn't stop stupid fans from being stupid. |
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2010-08-17, 12:45 | Link #33 |
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Most of what I would have said, has already been said. But yeah, I won't buy something unless I can try it out first. I like to know what I'm getting. I wouldn't have bought the Mai Otome Box set unless I watched it online for free, first.
And the creator isn't really going to see a dime of my money from that DVD box set sale, since it will all be eaten up by corporations and companies long before the trickle reaches back to him/her. Starving artists should first look to the companies that are bilking them. Even if I wanted to, I couldn't do much to help because when I buy things "officially" the various companies and corporations take 95% of it. The corporation you signed with is doing more to pirate your work than your fans are. But let's look at "pirates" and note that we have more than one category of them: 1. The people who will always take everything for free, regardless of money 2. The people who can't afford something, and so pirate it. 3. The people who can't legally buy something no matter how much they want it. Sure, it's okay to dislike the first group. But for the second, their entertainment budget is set; the only way to get a sale out of them is to lower your price to where they can afford it. The last group really wants your product, but due to licensing, region-locked DVDs, or other nonsense, they literally *cannot* buy your product! A black market will always supply what the consumer wants. You want to make money? Find out what your consumers want, and the price point that will bring in the most profit (and lowering prices CAN give you more profit as well as raise consumer awareness of you), and supply it better than the pirates can. In short, innovate or die. We will not support buggy-whip manufacturers when the automobile is here. The game has changed; better learn to change with it. You can't stop piracy, so learn to work with it. I know musicians who give away their music for free, and thus they become more famous than those who charge. With more fans, more people will come to see your concerts, buy your albums and other merchandise. Find a new business model. |
2010-08-17, 12:45 | Link #34 |
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I download fansubs because I'm broke and homeless and bored.
I used to buy DVDs of series that I liked after watching the fansubs (and deleted series that I did not like). I'd usually keep the fansubs of series I like, though, and watch them instead of the DVDs (because 720p and fansubs are usually nicer than 480p and crappy commercial subs). This isn't a normal thing for me. Usually I pay for whatever I want. But when the economy is in the shitter and dying of boredom is a real danger, you do what you can to keep from going insane.
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2010-08-17, 12:46 | Link #35 |
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I admit, I've DL'd several animes over torrents and such (Nanoha, GaoGaiGar, Shin Mazinger, s-CRY-ed, Haruhi, Mazinkaiser) and for the most part, it was to either A: See what just came out in Japan (Shin Mazinger), B: Preview the anime before I buy it (GaoGaiGar, Nanoha) or C: (my least favorite reason) because it's too expensive or I can't find it (the rest).
Personally, if I had the cash, I would use option B all the time DL to preview something before buying. But, I don't, since I'm rather poor at all times. I *want* to support the anime industry more, but I can't afford to spend 50 bucks on a 13 episode series/season. I'll spend 50-70 bucks on something like 72 episodes (All three seasons of Slayers), but not 50 for 13 episodes.
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2010-08-17, 12:50 | Link #36 | |
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If the translators offered a lower priced DVD that didn't have dubs, and instead made the subs a higher quality, then I'd buy it. The official Nanoha subs had some pretty bad points, so much so that I prefer the fansubs. If you can't give me the product that I want to buy, then don't be so bent out of shape when someone else does. Especially since they are doing it for free. Provide a better product than the pirates that's more convenient, and people will beat a path to your door. |
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2010-08-17, 12:55 | Link #37 |
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I own the R1 Nanoha and A's DVDs--bought both boxsets when they came out--and I lost the [DGz] fansubs when my desktop fried. I'm pretty upset about that because I can't find the fansubs anymore, and the subs on the R1 DVDs are pretty awful.
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2010-08-17, 16:47 | Link #39 | |
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Thing is, most people know what they are doing isn't wrong, even if they can't articulate. Why? Because they were taught as kids that sharing is good. That if you have something, and you can make someone's life better at no real cost to yourself, then you should share. Now we're trying to tell everyone that sharing is wrong. The average person knows that sounds funny. |
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2010-08-17, 17:54 | Link #40 | |
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