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2010-09-05, 13:28 | Link #2602 |
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"marriage" is basically announcing to your community that you're making a go of it - and swearing oaths of fealty to each other in *public* view is *supposed* to count for something as your value is in the honor of your word.
The religions just hop on the bandwagon since asserting control of sex and other important aspects of life makes them more indispensable.
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2010-09-05, 23:03 | Link #2605 |
Obey the Darkly Cute ...
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I'll assume some grammar ambgiuity. The book discovered nothing. It *is* a document of what happened at the time, what the writer knew about, and has some principles of living via the words of the Prophet. It is considered holy by those who follow it.
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2010-09-06, 05:01 | Link #2606 | |
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It discovered nothing. It is simply a presentation of perspective. No offense though, with that guy wielding his "magical" sword and slaying enemies by the pound makes it seem very much like a wuxia novel. P.S I read the translated version, FYI.
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2010-09-06, 05:30 | Link #2608 | |
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Muhammed DID NOT write the book, contrary to popular opinion. He dictated most of it, and the rest are historical add-ons. Seriously speaking, I pity Muhammed. The Muslim community he worked so hard to build was taken apart by his wives and followers, and that Zulfiqar-wielding guy, who's supposedly his "designated" successor, got his head split open by a poisoned sword.
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2010-09-06, 07:12 | Link #2610 | |
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Small note : I am not a Muslim.
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2010-09-06, 07:46 | Link #2611 |
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I was told that Quran meant "To be recited" because it was a verb (this was years ago though, so I could be wrong)
[edit] My mistake. It's a verbal noun.
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2010-09-06, 08:02 | Link #2612 |
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Still, though it's a shame how religion has stained the earth with the blood of our brothers. Wasn't religion supposed to bring peace of heart? Yet look at the world now. The Moslems are terrorizing the planet, the Christians priests are getting increasingly gay, and the Jews are fucking racists. Nowadays religion looks like a mere tool to justify every act of infidelity that ethics were unable to justify.
*sigh* Though I wont deny that not few people's were really saved because of religious peace of heart, I wonder what went wrong with the rest of the world...
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2010-09-06, 11:57 | Link #2613 |
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Well anyway, I think the significance of Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) being illiterate was when he was meditating in the cave of Mount Hira and Angel Jibreel (Gabriel) commanded him to read the first revelations despite him being illiterate.
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You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name. Commanding a person to obey your whims because you feel that he's doing contrary to something "God" preaches is making wrongful use of his name - you are judging in his/her stead and dispensing justice as you see fit, not him/her. Conclusively, we shouldn't bother about whether we are going up or down afterlife. Life is short and everyone lives only once, so why don't we live our lives to the fullest by showing some compassion to others, and just follow the Golden Rule? I am more inclined to believe that the Angels read the revelations to him word for word.
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2010-09-06, 13:27 | Link #2615 | |
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I also read it referred to him at the time of his first marriage. Before he took an interest in the whole creating a religion thing. |
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2010-09-13, 14:37 | Link #2616 |
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Well the reason people are are fags, trying to use religion as a cover for greed or selfish means, or commiting terrorism is because of one simple reason. the way we grow up. everyone is different, mostly their personality is from how they grew up, how they were taught, and their enviroment. MANY people are ignorant, and not knowing the answers to life which are in front of you. and they dont even start to think about why thing are the way they are now.
i see middle schoolers paying each other just so they can use each others computers -.-. i see people cussing others and beating others up. thats why we need to teach the younger generations whats wrong and whats right. universal morals and laws areant in our head to begin with. and as people grow they begin to learn from their surroundings... The us has really become corrupt. EVERYWHERE you go there are people who use sex jokes for humor, who cuss, and who find pleasure in annoying and bullying others. in the beginning we are all just emptey dolls that need programming. and as i said before in the huge collasal paragraph , its your personality and experience that chooses whether you would believe in a god. i dont believe in a all knowing sentient life form who created humans just to be his slaves. and the belief theres a eternal paradise a eternal firey hell is just messed up. im a realist and a humantarian. Religion.... ''god'' made it so there would be enough evidence to understand who they are worshipping and at the same time its made so you can never truly prove whether a god exists or not. thats why its called Faith. The only good use i find in religion is that it helps the normal ones to become nicer people through the use of a lie. though i resent the fools who are blind and are completly consumed by religion and cause trouble for others who believe in something else. and i find the fact that people are forcing others to become a certain religion. you CANNOT force people to believe. like i said before, its based on our personality. due to this factor, its impossible to make everyone in the world believe in a religion or religion as a whole. and i doubt their god would even want their followers to force others and kill to make them believe... like many christians do. its best to be nice and courtious to others and gain their trust. a person wouldnt want to believe in a god where their followers threaten you with a weapon. and the things i hear about religious people who commit sins saying its for their god is just sad. i once heeard a story about muslims(i think) who in a sense kidnapped a family and raped the women shouting FOR ALLAH. <-- that makes me sad... i know enough that allah wouldnt want that... So many people in the world are SO ignorant and foolish. sigh... one last thing, never say a religious person is blind or an athiest is foolish. Never. their viewpoints are both not wrong. As i said before since the tendacy to believe in a religion is based on personality, you shouldnt condemn a innocent. and also... they areant wrong because the belief that a god exists is their viewpoint, their worldview. since religion can never be proved in this world, neither can be considered right or wrong. its all about viewpoint. whether i choose to believe a god doesnt exists or does exisit, you should respect others opinions. so never say another person is right or wrong. both of your believes are only opinions/viewpoints. and dont even start to say your religion is real. if its not provable, its not real. and since its ''faith'', its only your mind saying its real. Which means you just have alot of conviction. also.. just because muhammad or jejus lived in the past doesnt prove their religion exists. remember that.
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2010-09-13, 15:34 | Link #2617 | |
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Do you CHOSE to watch anime? Do you force yourself to watch it? Or is it something you just stumbled across and found that you really liked it? Same goes for gay people. They don't chose to like boys instead of girls, that's just how they are. |
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2010-09-13, 16:41 | Link #2618 | ||
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And going back to the idea of respect, it means acknowledging that other people might say their religion is real even if you disagree with their viewpoint (i.e. you think that they are wrong). So for example, here's where respect comes in my life: As a Christian, I do not believe that Mohammed is a prophet of God. Therefore, I think that people who say that he is are wrong. However, if I respect other people, then I wouldn't persecute Muslims for believing that Mohammed is a prophet of God. So again, respecting other people has little or nothing to do with agreeing/disagreeing with them. And consequently, it has nothing to do with whether or not you can say that someone else is right/wrong based on their viewpoint. |
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2010-09-13, 21:54 | Link #2619 | |
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2010-09-14, 00:37 | Link #2620 |
Obey the Darkly Cute ...
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Everyone is entitled to have an opinion - no one else is obliged to defer to it. Opinions that are unsubstantiated assertions are as worthless as they come The recent media debacle of fringe idiot zealot versus other idiot zealots should have resulted in severe garbage pelting at the preacher, his flock, the protesters, and their "mob instigators".
This holds true for any sort of belief. Now pardon me while I go placate the air conditioning faeries and pixies...
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