2012-03-08, 18:31 | Link #81 | |
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Well technically not even Samui, Yamato and Anko are dead. Anko might be revived by Itachi and then she can get a few panels being in the spotlight. Yamato might also be alive, if i remember correctly he was in Tobi's hideout half built in into the cells of Hashirama. Samui was simply sealed inside some megical device, probably can be removed from it somehow (she has too large boobs to die). I'm also disappointed by this, this war is a noname average ninja holocaust but not even one of the named ninja died, it's simply too unrealistic. Some new names were introduced in this war, so i was thinking these were introduced to be killed off in the war, for example the older general from the lighting village, he was a perfect candidate to die. Then when nobody died i thought maybe Kishimoto is waiting for Tobi's entrance to kill them, but he simply placed the Tobi-Naruto fight in a distant place, and then he made sure that by the time the alliance arrives to the place all the tailed beasts are sealed away. I think the best candidates for death are the two older kages, but for them to die now, there should be a good reason. Some chapters ago I thought that these kages to build up the tension and suspense that's needed before the hero (Naruto) comes to save the world. But now it seems that they'll just be used as measuring sticks for Madara's powers, and so this Madara (maybe merged with Tobi or some other way) and Sasuke and Naruto will be the final level of power, all being well beyond kage level (of course for that Sasuke and Naruto will need another powerup). So now it seems that the kages will all survive, later they'll just become some kind of elders that can help Naruto in different ways but not being in the center of the story any more. |
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2012-03-08, 20:16 | Link #82 | |
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The fact that being genetically superior means that you are better than most everybody has become an absolute fact of this manga with the whole RS descendant/Minato's son crap. |
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2012-03-08, 20:44 | Link #83 | |
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But death does cost the story in terms of moving the plot along. It can be mentioned a dozen no-names got killed off screen in one panel then back to the story without missing a beat. A named character's death must receive build up (flashbacks and such) and closure (more flashbacks, other characters shown mourning) in order to have impact. The more important the character, the more time spent with their death. Readers expect it. For a named character, there's going to be at least a page or two devoted to just showing the others remember them. If a major character dies (like Sandaime) probably they're going to receive an entire chapter focused on their passing. Considering that, I can see why Kishi and other mangaka are reluctant to constantly string deaths together even though it might make things more intense. It would bog down the rest of the story. Still, I would've liked to seen one or two deaths squeezed in by now.
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2012-03-08, 20:56 | Link #84 |
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I have a different view on this. Minato is the best example, he didn't have any advanced bloodline, yet he became the hokage and not someone from the great clans. So was the case with the 3rd hokage. Another example is Ororchimaru, and also Kabuto, even if they did it the evil way, but they worked hard to gain abilities that others like Madara or Hashirama have simply had by default. Then there's Jiraiya too, just like the other 2 sannins, he became a sage. I didn't mean to say that these people actually surpassed the most powerful bloodline-powered guys like Hashirama or Itachi (as i wrote in my last post Tsunade won't win the fight here, she's still weaker), but in the process of rivalry and competition they became stronger than most of the bloodline-powered guys there are. Sure Lee or Gai will never compete with people like Itachi or Sasuke, but they became stronger than most of the ninja who have advanced bloodlines. We can say that even the current Edo-Madara is the product of not giving up on being inferior to someone else, Madara both admired and hated Hashirama, he admitted to be inferior to him, but he didn't give up, he made a plan to surpass him. And finally there was Sasuke, in all those flashbacks we see him training hard because he feels inferior to his brother, even if Itachi didn't have to kill his clan, and became hokage or something like that, even then Sasuke would have worked very hard to keep up with his brother, and in the process he would become stroner that if he didn't have this rivalry with his brother.
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2012-03-09, 12:23 | Link #88 |
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He didn't have any special bloodline abilities, i meant simply that. And none of his clan (Asuma and little guy whose name i forgot) that we know of have any special abilities, what they achieve is all their hard work and talent. We can also see that they reach their prime at an older age, since they have to work for it, as opposed to that people like Itachi unlock the MS at age of 12 and then they can beat people like Orochimaru. Jiraiya had to train his sage mode for decades for example. Then we see debates on the forum about how weak the sannins are because they were beaten by Hanzou who was alone while they were fighting together, but when they were young they didn't have all the jutsu and ablities that they worked on for decades.
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2012-03-09, 13:38 | Link #89 | |
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2012-03-09, 13:55 | Link #90 | |
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I understand not wanting to kill any of the teenagers. Even those with no real relevance like Kankuro, Temari, or Tenten. But anyone introduced during the Kage Summit, or over the age of 30, should of been fair game. The idea of the next generation taking over for the previous one, works a lot better when the previous one isn't around to hold their hands. If no one is really in danger, than what is the point of Madara vs. the Kages? Other than a light show and big explosions? I am not saying you have to have death to make a fight interesting. But it is ridiculous not one name character has dropped in a war against immortal zombies and their hax powers. Last edited by Ulquiorra; 2012-03-09 at 14:07. |
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2012-03-09, 14:15 | Link #91 | |
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2012-03-09, 14:23 | Link #92 |
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Naruto used to be my favorite anime & manga - but it feels as though its been dragging on too long. I mean, the story that revolves around the protagonist hasn't had much progress in the last 3-5 years. Sasuke still isn't back, he's gotten worse - to the point he will kill his home village given the chance.
Naruto is still as brainless as ever, only to receive random "Power Ups" ever year, hence he's the "Chosen One". This war was truly genius as soon as Madara came into play. But its clear he will be trolled by T in upcoming weeks. This manga is based on past hatred and situations being reborned/reincarnated right? Well, H beat M somehow, so its clearly obvious H descendant will get a Nakama power up and beat M. I just wish this plot jumped - my patience is running on fumes. |
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Any last shred of hope to see one of the rookies in the slightest amount of real danger disappeared the moment we learned Pain had only wounded Hinata.
I mean think this through : the author didn't even have the balls to kill her knowing she would be revived a few chapters later. They are for all intent and purpose more immortal than any Edo-Tensei. |
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Even kakashi, was tossed aside, but he clearly came back. This begs the question if the anime is truly going to end abruptly or drag on another decade. Your thoughts? |
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2012-03-09, 15:02 | Link #95 | |
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One could also say that when Nagato saw Hinata defending Naruto he briefly remembered his childhood, when he defended Yahiko, when Konan saved him from death, so his subconscious forced him to not hit a vital point and let Hinata survive. But that's just trying to make more sense of it |
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2012-03-09, 15:54 | Link #96 | |
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2012-03-09, 18:00 | Link #97 | |
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2012-03-09, 18:29 | Link #98 | |
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by the time naruto reached nagato for their face to face, he was much calmer and I believe would have negotiated for peace and tried to understand where nagato was coming from regardless of who he thought was still dead or not. I'm sure it was a relief to hear she was alive, but I don't see it as a game changer, when kakashi (someone who means much more to him than hinata) is lying dead on the same battlefield he just left edit: I do also believe though that kishi wussed out and wasn't willing to have her die at all. I just disagree about it effecting naruto's will to the extent you're implying |
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If we remove this reasoning from the equation than killing Hinata would be the best thing for dramatic effect. A death has always much more impact than just being wounded. And i think Kishimoto would have done that if he knows that she will be revived anyway. |
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Nagato had already murdered Jiraiya, Kakashi, Shizune, hundreds of others and leveled Konoha to the ground. Adding Hinata to the list changed nothing, litteraly nothing since Naruto's decision would have been vindicated anyway with Nagato reviving everybody. No, Kishimoto just won't really kill one of the kids. Chouji, Neji and Gaara had more than proven that already and Hinata was the final nail in the (absent of) coffin. Neither, we are reaching the finale but there are still dozens of chapters yet to be released. |
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