(L+CR) Yakusoku no Neverland (The Promised Neverland)[Winter 2019]

[orion]

Originally Posted by Guardian Enzo

I'm surprised to see new viewers questioning whether the kids should be willing to kill the adults after what happened at the end of the premiere. I would think if anything qualified as self-defense "I don't want to be eaten" would be it.

But killing the adults would only have the "enforcers against bad behaviour" come after them. There's got to be some law enforcer down there to keep order. If you're planning to escape, you need to be as low-key about it as you can.

[Last Sinner]

Okay....THIS is what concerns people most?!?!

Ray is clearly a pragmatist, or far more than the others. Of course he's opting for survival of the fittest. These kids are not living. They have a right for a chance to make their own choices and mistakes. They have a right to live on their terms. Ray is simply stating the obvious. Worst case scenario, they have to kill someone who conspired to harm them all and values her own pathetic existence over all the kids. Utter abuse of trust and dependence.

Emma is the moralist. The one wanting to save everyone and to do no harm in the process. Admirable but naive. Reality is not so kind to allow morality to always prevail. Sometimes the right decision will get you and those around you killed. That said, a moral core is needed in this scenario. Emma is a good manifestation of it. As long as she doesn't go to the degree of Emiya Shirou.

Norman is the one in the middle seeing the merits and pitfalls of both approaches. The balance between the extremes. The mix of grim reality and daring optimism.

Nome of those three will always be right. Something worth keeping in mind. And don't be quick to take the high ground, until you've had your life on the line, relatively dependent and being lied to so blatantly. This show isn't preaching thus far so I will give it the benefit of the doubt to maintain the three approaches and to avoid preaching.

[Guardian Enzo]

Originally Posted by orion

But killing the adults would only have the "enforcers against bad behaviour" come after them. There's got to be some law enforcer down there to keep order. If you're planning to escape, you need to be as low-key about it as you can.

You're also 11 years old and just had the rug that was your reality pulled out from under you in the most shocking way imaginable.

[Grifis]

Originally Posted by orion

Well...I think that they should do things to slow the mommas down and not kill them. Like trap them someplace they can't escape from/torture info out of them and then get the heck out of Dodge.

They don't have a safe place to escape to. They need more info first.

The irony may be that the safest place for them is the farm itself, protected (?) from the outside monsters by the thick wall.
Sister Krone's weakness is her ambition and delusions and Mom's, her pride/confidence. T'is true that they are valuable information source and the kids can use them if possible.

[Stark700]

What a cliffhanger this week.

The entire episode had a tense feeling with the training and planning. Norman continues to be the brain of the group. We also got to see more of Krone's personality from the behind the scenes which I personally thought was rather amusing.

Other than that, I still find the character chemistry between the main cast (Emma, Norman, Ray) to be a solid appeal for the show. They know the risk but still plan accordingly while trying to avoid being caught.

[Kanon]

The beginning of the episode was a bit awkward. We don't even know why Krone was being scolded so harshly.

As for the rest, I figured they would end the episode on that. I recall this part lasting longer in the manga, but I wouldn't be able to tell what they cut.

Emma lying to Don and Gilda will most likely cause problems down the line (what Krone said to Gilda was pretty foreboding). It makes for a more believable story though, and even then, Don was reluctant to believe it. Imagine if they had told him demons had eaten Conny instead.

[Nivek von Beldo]

So who was the traitor? Don? Ray? that twist was a little weird, like a scene was missing.

the tension is so real here, for this story cross the boundary of shonen and seinen very easily and seamsesly

Krone..she is the key for their freedom, her hate to isabelle will make the critical fumble to them to ran away

[RDNexus]

Norman told Ray (and him alone) he was laying a trap of sorts to both Gilda and Don, so as to verify if any of them might be the spy.
But Norman's scheme wasn't directed only at those two. It seems quite likely he lied to Ray so as to put him too to the test. And he fell, hook, line and sinker.

You didn't miss anything, you just had to pay attention to every moment of the episode. I kinda understood right away

[BWTraveller]

I'd agree with xrick. If Ray's the spy then he must have revealed the rope set up for Don in order to frame him. So how does Norman know that it was a frameup and not actually Don? Simplest solution would be that, since we didn't actually see him telling Don and Gilda, he actually gave them different locations and told fake locations to Ray. That way he'd have at least one location to check for each possible traitor.

[orion]

Originally Posted by BWTraveller

I'd agree with xrick. If Ray's the spy then he must have revealed the rope set up for Don in order to frame him. So how does Norman know that it was a frameup and not actually Don? Simplest solution would be that, since we didn't actually see him telling Don and Gilda, he actually gave them different locations and told fake locations to Ray. That way he'd have at least one location to check for each possible traitor.

Or based on the answer that Ray gave, he would have been a prime suspect. Plus, you don't know if he told Gilda or Don the locations yet. He only told Ray that he told Gilda and Don.

[sikvod00]

Originally Posted by Guardian Enzo

You're also 11 years old and just had the rug that was your reality pulled out from under you in the most shocking way imaginable.

Aside from Emma, it's hard to believe that they are 11. I get them being exceptionally smart kids, but jeeez.

[Irenesharda]

Well, that was an interesting twist. I'm both surprised and I'm not. While surprising, it would make sense to be Ray. His perception on things, the way he has never connected and embraced everything going on like the other kids DID make me think that he knew the truth even before Emma and Norman did and that he's just been living with it. Also, the way Norman set it up does make sense as well. He told Ray his plan about the rope, and what Gilda was supposed to know and what Don was supposed to know, and where the actually hiding place was. He didn't tell Don anything and let it actually be between Ray and Gilda.

You don't want to have too many variables in an experiment or else it is hard to keep up with them all.
(Now this all could be a triple play by Norman just to rule Ray out, but we'll see.)
If Ray found out and he's been trapped with this information this entire time, and Isabella found out and has been manipulating him into being her spy in exchange for his life, I could see that and I would be totally forgiving for it. In fact, it would be a great weapon to use against Isabella as long as they could gain Ray's loyalty and use him as a double agent, spreading false information to "Mom".

As for now having Gilda and Don on their side, I think they should have definitely told them the truth. Waiting is always a bad idea when it comes to these things. And how is it any worse than "human trafficking"? In fact, the idea of all of their siblings being alive will only breed false hope in everyone else. And there is nothing worse than crushing hope. It would be better to process the reality of death rather than doing that. I totally agree with Ray there.

Originally Posted by sikvod00

Aside from Emma, it's hard to believe that they are 11. I get them being exceptionally smart kids, but jeeez.

Well that's just part and parcel for anime. None of the kids in these stories truly act their ages. The students in your average shounen like MHA for example, act more like--at most!--seniors in high school, not the 15/16 year olds they are supposed to be. I have professionally taught teens all over the world, and you can see "kid" written in their every action, even the most responsible ones, and even those who have hard lives. The kids in anime are actually more like overly emotional, slightly more playful miniature adults than than the children they are supposed to be.

[BWTraveller]

Originally Posted by orion

Or based on the answer that Ray gave, he would have been a prime suspect. Plus, you don't know if he told Gilda or Don the locations yet. He only told Ray that he told Gilda and Don.

True. I was only saying that what we know is what he told Ray. If he only suspected Ray he might have just put two out and told Ray he was trying to trap them. If he wasn't entirely certain he might have put four ropes out and told Ray different locations from Gilda and Don. My only point was that it'd make logical sense from his immediate certainty of Ray's guilt that he probably didn't tell anyone else about the two ropes he checked with Ray.

Also I agree that Ray may have known about things for a while. After all, he's the one that suggested Emma and Norman go to the gate, and he listened in on their conversations afterward.

[~Yami~]

up to episode 4, I still admire the adaptation
the pacing is suffocating.. sometimes it rushed.. sometimes it slowed down and also they skip some scenes while prolonging several scenes
the BGM is great
I said suffocating because you could feel it.. the end is near.. but when... where is the next plot twist... you know that it is coming but you can't expect it

There are reasons why manga readers could remember Don and Gilda although the focus of the story are Norman, Ray, and Emma. Gilda is loyal to Emma and act like her assistant. Gilda don't have any outstanding qualities but she could execute all simple instructions.. Her trait to watch over Emma is important

Sister Krone's crude tactics showed how far she underestimate the children.. at this point, Norman could read her movement like a book

and yes.. if you watched things carefully, Ray is the only spy candidate
although you won't notice them well in manga because they have longer "training" scenes to distract you

[Random14]

Training is going well and Norman is adapting. Its dangerous but he's right that they probably can't dawdle, they're up against the person who raised them. Not to mention that whole spy thing. So far only Norman and Emma are ruled out, everyone else, well, yeah. We'll see next week if Norman's spy hunt worked out or not.

I do wish they wouldn't have Sister Krone raging like that, it makes her look less smart and just more crazy, so not sure if that lowers her threat a bit more.

That "white lie" of their family being sold rather than "harvested" isn't going to turn out well. I can see why they held back, the horror of the situation is bad enough, but Ray's right too in that they're not going to be happy when they find out. Norman's sure got a lot on his plate, now he's got to balance between five of them.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Isabella just screams "I'm completely broken" louder as the story progresses. No idea if she's working for or against the creatures outside but either way she seems even far more gone than Krone

[j4c06]

Ray being the spy makes sense. But now I wonder who was watching their conversation in the previous episode. Remember, when the trio was shown through the bushes from somebody else's point of view. Maybe there is more than one spy?

[Guardian Enzo]

While I'm liking the adaptation and think it's pretty faithful generally, I despair at the decision to turn Krone into a comic relief character (complete with clown car BGM). Even if you don't want to read the manga and be spoiled, if you read behind where the anime is you'll see how differently she comes off on paper.

[moridin84]

Ah, I never considered Rey.

It makes a lot of sense. Emma and Norman insisted on rescuing everyone which he probably considers impossible.

Originally Posted by Grifis

The irony may be that the safest place for them is the farm itself, protected (?) from the outside monsters by the thick wall.
Sister Krone's weakness is her ambition and delusions and Mom's, her pride/confidence. T'is true that they are valuable information source and the kids can use them if possible.

Huh? How is it the safest place?

They are all going to be sold and eaten so they have a 100% chance of dying.

[Irenesharda]

There are very subtle clues that its Ray if you think about it. For example, how does Isabella know it's "two" children in the first place? Why not one of them or all three? She never saw them and she would have never seen footprints on a brick surface.

Also, why does she not update the number to "three" later when she is talking to Krone? She knows at this point that it's Emma and Norman, and she knows that Emma, Norman and Ray act as a unit and have since they were very little. She would know that if Emma and Norman knew, Ray wasn't far behind. She even pointedly noticed that Ray was missing from his usually place by the tree. She should have updated her number to "three", but instead always kept the number at "two".
This was a clue that one of the three she excluded because they already knew the truth and were in her pocket.

Originally Posted by moridin84

Huh? How is it the safest place?

They are all going to be sold and eaten so they have a 100% chance of dying.

I think they mean, that if you kill off Krone and Isabella, and yet continue to pretend everything is fine, that farm itself a good stronghold considering the layout and how long they could keep up the ruse that everything was still working as it was supposed to.