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Old 2014-09-08, 14:15   Link #561
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THANK YOU! So he's Accelerator? How does Raishin and Yaya match up against those dolls with cheat-like abilities? Or has he just not fought them due to some ass pull?
Yes, but he can only control his own body vectors.

Raishin and Yaya actually manage to almost totally destroy Shin at the end of volume 4, but this was thanks to the Magic Activity Dissonance Theory, where he ended up being no stronger than a normal human at some point for only a moment, on which Yaya could deal the fatal blow.

Volume 4 shows more automata like him, from Germany, the Kreuzritter. All of these automata are also equipped with the same magic circuit as Shin, Fragarach. Although Shin is considered a MK4 version, meaning he's the strongest of them all.

Of course as of volume 7, Shin is no longer strong enough to beat neither Yaya nor Raishin.

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Old 2014-09-08, 21:04   Link #562
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Yes, but he can only control his own body vectors.

Raishin and Yaya actually manage to almost totally destroy Shin at the end of volume 4, but this was thanks to the Magic Activity Dissonance Theory, where he ended up being no stronger than a normal human at some point for only a moment, on which Yaya could deal the fatal blow.

Volume 4 shows more automata like him, from Germany, the Kreuzritter. All of these automata are also equipped with the same magic circuit as Shin, Fragarach. Although Shin is considered a MK4 version, meaning he's the strongest of them all.

Of course as of volume 7, Shin is no longer strong enough to beat neither Yaya nor Raishin.
It just seems so inconceivable that he could win with Yaya's mundane ability. Coul you give us a short description of how they handled cheat abilities?
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Old 2014-09-09, 00:37   Link #563
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It just seems so inconceivable that he could win with Yaya's mundane ability.
It really isn't that inconceivable. It is mentioned at some point that attacks that extinguish matter itself such as Luster Cannon and insanely strong and consecutive blows are enough to pierce through Fragarach. Yaya being the latter here.

There's more to Yaya's circuit aside from what the viewer does see. Horned-Yaya is far stronger than Shin and there's also the fact that Raishin himself hadn't mastered Kongouriki at the time they had to fight him either. Raishin's incomplete kouyokujin also boosts Yaya's strength immensely, to the point of making Loki seriously think he'd lose if he ever used that technique against him.

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Coul you give us a short description of how they handled cheat abilities?
If you're talking about the Fragarach magic circuit, then Charl had to use some of her strongest magic on Sigmund, making him a huge dragon (yes, more than what he already was) to kill two of these automata. Loki actually had to attack the puppeteers to win the battle. Both Charl and Loki were fighting the MK3 series if I'm not mistaken.

Raishin, like I said, made use of the Magic Activity Dissonance Theory to strike for a moment in which Shin had lost his abilities.
Alice was casting her illusion magic on Shin, this basically rendered Fragarach useless, since “two different magic can’t exist within the same body”.
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Old 2014-09-11, 08:04   Link #564
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It really isn't that inconceivable. It is mentioned at some point that attacks that extinguish matter itself such as Luster Cannon and insanely strong and consecutive blows are enough to pierce through Fragarach. Yaya being the latter here.

There's more to Yaya's circuit aside from what the viewer does see. Horned-Yaya is far stronger than Shin and there's also the fact that Raishin himself hadn't mastered Kongouriki at the time they had to fight him either. Raishin's incomplete kouyokujin also boosts Yaya's strength immensely, to the point of making Loki seriously think he'd lose if he ever used that technique against him.



If you're talking about the Fragarach magic circuit, then Charl had to use some of her strongest magic on Sigmund, making him a huge dragon (yes, more than what he already was) to kill two of these automata. Loki actually had to attack the puppeteers to win the battle. Both Charl and Loki were fighting the MK3 series if I'm not mistaken.

Raishin, like I said, made use of the Magic Activity Dissonance Theory to strike for a moment in which Shin had lost his abilities.
Alice was casting her illusion magic on Shin, this basically rendered Fragarach useless, since “two different magic can’t exist within the same body”.
When you say the Magic Activity Dissonance Theory do you mean that theory Yaya made use of by getting her blood on the opponent? Seems like an ass pull of a move.

Also, I recall Shin calling himself a machine doll, implying he's different from standard automata.
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Old 2014-09-11, 20:01   Link #565
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When you say the Magic Activity Dissonance Theory do you mean that theory Yaya made use of by getting her blood on the opponent? Seems like an ass pull of a move.

Also, I recall Shin calling himself a machine doll, implying he's different from standard automata.
When I say Magic Activity Dissonance I am talking about the absolute rule about magic in this universe. Two different types of magic can't exist within the same body at the same time.

If you read my post, I already told you what happened during their fight. Alice was using her own illusion magic on Shin's body, which following the golden rule here, rendered Shin unable to use any other magic. By extend I hope you understand that while being under Alice's magic effects (illusion magic) Shin couldn't activate his own magic circuit (Fragarach) because two different types of magic can't exist within the same body at the same time.

Raishin made Yaya release a shock wave that ruptured Shin's eardrums since he was basically like a normal human under the effects of the illusion magic. Raishin aimed for this moment, and Alice didn't think he'd figure out what was going on (Because Alice was basically making Shin appear and disappear with her illusion magic, which made Raishin think Shin was moving way too fast, but evidently as you can see, it was all over when he figured out what was really going on.)

Shin said he was a machine doll, but he evidently isn't. As of volume 7, 'Machine Doll' is someone considered to be a 'perfect being'. Shin is just Germany’s misconception of that idea.

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Shin isn't a machine doll, Raishin won rupturing Shin's eardrums by making Yaya attack when he couldn't activate his magic circuit thanks to the Magic Activity Dissonance theory.
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Old 2014-09-11, 20:27   Link #566
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When I say Magic Activity Dissonance I am talking about the absolute rule about magic in this universe. Two different types of magic can't exist within the same body at the same time.

If you read my post, I already told you what happened during their fight. Alice was using her own illusion magic on Shin's body, which following the golden rule here, rendered Shin unable to use any other magic. By extend I hope you understand that while being under Alice's magic effects (illusion magic) Shin couldn't activate his own magic circuit (Fragarach) because two different types of magic can't exist within the same body at the same time.

Raishin made Yaya release a shock wave that ruptured Shin's eardrums since he was basically like a normal human under the effects of the illusion magic. Raishin aimed for this moment, and Alice didn't think he'd figure out what was going on (Because Alice was basically making Shin appear and disappear with her illusion magic, which made Raishin think Shin was moving way too fast, but evidently as you can see, it was all over when he figured out what was really going on.)

Shin said he was a machine doll, but he evidently isn't. As of volume 7, 'Machine Doll' is someone considered to be a 'perfect being'. Shin is just Germany’s misconception of that idea.

TL;DR
Shin isn't a machine doll, Raishin won rupturing Shin's eardrums by making Yaya attack when he couldn't activate his magic circuit thanks to the Magic Activity Dissonance theory.
Yeah, but I was referring to what Raishin and Yaya did when they fought other opponents with cheat abilities that didn't seemed impossible to beat with something as mundane as super strength.

So next question. Kimberly and that school doctor guy. What's their story?
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Old 2014-09-11, 23:22   Link #567
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Yeah, but I was referring to what Raishin and Yaya did when they fought other opponents with cheat abilities that didn't seemed impossible to beat with something as mundane as super strength.

So next question. Kimberly and that school doctor guy. What's their story?
And I’ll keep reapeating Yaya’s Kongouriki isn’t mundane . It is actually really handy whenever Raishin casts its effects on himself. Especially given their fighting style. The setsugetsuka dolls (Yaya, Komurasaki, Irori) are really, really strong after all. Irori alone was able to pulverize Shin practically on her own, and this part is already translated, by the way.

Kimberly and Cruel go a long way back. From all I've read so far(vol7), Cruel appears to have feelings for her, but Kimberly no longer cares about him (Writing 'no longer' because apparently she used to, when they were younger).

All that's ever mentioned is that Cruel used to be some kind of soldier and that Kimberly used to hate everything related to magic with all her soul. Incidentally, it's also been mentioned that Kimberly is also working in something that involves a machine doll. She paid Cruel to keep an eye on Raishin after all.
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Old 2014-09-15, 05:16   Link #568
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What is currently happening in the story?
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Old 2014-09-15, 08:08   Link #569
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What is currently happening in the story?
I checked wikipedia, which had a surprising amount of information. As of volume 13, everything's went to hell. There was a civil war and the academy was attack by the royal army. The headmaster was captured and Sigmund (or was it Sigurd) was defeated and appropriated.

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Old 2014-09-15, 08:41   Link #570
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I checked wikipedia, which had a surprising amount of information. As of volume 13, everything's went to hell. There was a civil war and the academy was attack by the foyal army. The headmaster was captured and Sigmund (or was it Sigurd) was defeated and appropriated.
That info's outdated.I still haven't read vol 13 because I'm too busy but in vol 12
Spoiler for vol 12:

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Old 2014-09-15, 09:03   Link #571
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That info's outdated.I still haven't read vol 13 because I'm too busy but in vol 12
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But didn't Shouko make Yaya and her sisters from her own flesh?
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Old 2014-09-15, 09:22   Link #572
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But didn't Shouko make Yaya and her sisters from her own flesh?
I'm not quite sure about how she did it, but at the end of vol 12,
Spoiler for vol 12:
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Old 2014-09-15, 09:27   Link #573
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I'm not quite sure about how she did it, but at the end of vol 12,
Spoiler for vol 12:
I see, but could this possibly be a hint at what a machine doll, a perfect existence, is? Maybe the ultimate end of the series will be Yaya becoming a complete human.
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Old 2014-09-16, 05:27   Link #574
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Anything else about Volume 13?
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Old 2014-10-28, 08:36   Link #575
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What happens in volume 0? They didn't translate it at Baka-Tsuki
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Old 2014-10-30, 06:10   Link #576
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Volume 0 is basically Yaya before becoming an automaton.
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Old 2014-11-26, 03:31   Link #577
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Anything else about Volume 13?
Spoiler:


What do you mean by "ass pull", Bakato?

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Old 2014-11-26, 03:49   Link #578
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I checked wikipedia, which had a surprising amount of information. As of volume 13, everything's went to hell. There was a civil war and the academy was attack by the royal army. The headmaster was captured and Sigmund (or was it Sigurd) was defeated and appropriated.
Spoiler:
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Old 2014-12-12, 06:31   Link #579
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Who is "Silver Violet"?
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Old 2014-12-19, 00:40   Link #580
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want some spoiler please,,
until vol 13,, does he get new automaton ??
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