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2013-09-06, 14:28 | Link #142 | |
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I picked an awkward time to join my first forum, what with all these arguments/high sentiments running about... or is it often like this?
But moving back to the current chapter speculations... Do you think those three warships Fujitora requested will arrive on time for the rebellion? And if they do, will they a) squash it? or b) manage to see the smile factory, gain hard evidence against Doflamingo, and fight the Donquixote family? Quote:
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2013-09-06, 15:03 | Link #143 | |
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2013-09-06, 15:55 | Link #144 | |
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The "hints" in and of themselves are nice and all, but the only thing they do is open up the possibility that he might not be dead. |
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2013-09-06, 15:58 | Link #145 |
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You are quite correct, I forgot about that. Though I assume most of those 5 years were Ace gathering the money by himself. Again, just an assumption as Sabo seemed to be away from his family at best for around a year.
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2013-09-06, 19:08 | Link #146 | |
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Also dofla said you are too weak. Not that You have become too weak. With this alone u lost all credibility u had with me. Twisting what was said to prove your point shows u r more concerned with not being wrong than facts . Third, we dont even know who that higher up is . For all we know that higher person could be kaido, maybe because moria knows something that kaido wants to keep hidden . And another theory I have in this regard is that dofla might have not killed him but rather kept him around to rebel against kaido. |
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2013-09-06, 21:54 | Link #148 | |
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I'll find out the exact line Doflamingo said to Moria about his weakness. In any case, I ask you again, why would the WG recruit a weakling into the shichibukai? That completely goes against their policy and ideals for the group. As for your other asinine theory, yeah, good luck trying to be taken seriously.
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2013-09-06, 23:39 | Link #149 | |
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Also power is not the only thing WG looking for a warlord. Another important factor is name and fear factor from the said pirate. Buggy is a prime example of that. But buddy, i am cool with agreeing to disagree. Cheers P.S. I don't know about you but i enjoyed our back and forth discussion. If you want to further discuss stuff related to sabo, just leave me a visitor pm . P.S.S. My apologies if i ever came off strong toward you or any one else. I love all your point of views. Very entertaining to discuss anime/manga i love with people who also love them. |
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2013-09-07, 02:05 | Link #151 | |
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Anyways, I also find it highly likely, not to say obvious, that he is alive, with all those hints Oda is throwing around. But I can understand the people who want adamant proof. On another topic, regarding Whitemoon: I also like to post theories, but if you, as you said, want to discuss them, they should have a valid basis. In a previous post you hinted, that you were also a supporter of the Tobi=Obito theory. I was against this the whole time, because I didn't believe Kishi would do something like that, although Naruto was already on a downward path in my eyes. You could say, I didn't see the hints. But one could also say that this twist of events was really bad story-telling - I think I don't have to explain why. That is the problem I have with some theories. They just don't match into the Naruto/One Piece-verse because they contradict the very world they take place in. So if you want to discuss a theory and people come up with major hints which refute it, one could either accept that and come up with something different or defy the logic and clutch at straws. I don't think that this is a personal issue (hell, we're on a frickin' internet forum) so everyone just tries to reasonably tell you, why they think that your Sabo=Kaido theory lacks One Piece-evidence. EDIT: Below I've quickly drawn a time-line to show you, why most people doubt this theory. I hope I didn't forget any events that could make the graph more accurate, but that's what I remember. I've drawn it in a way, that it favors your theory, meaning Luffy is brought to Dadan when he recently turned 7. I estimated the time from Luffy's departure till his meeting with Moria to be about half a year. Last edited by ri0; 2013-09-07 at 17:26. |
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2013-09-08, 11:21 | Link #153 |
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If there were any guesses, not actual dates, I painted the graph favoring your theory.
Shanks lost his arm when Luffy was 7. The month I took, in favor of your theory, was May, because this is the earliest time Luffy could have been seven. Shortly after that (could also be a longer gap, but again in favor of your theory) he was taken to Dadan and started following Ace. The following months are stated in the manga. It took Luffy at least 6 months to trail Ace and subsequently find Sabo. The whole "three brothers hanging out together"-time, Sabo getting kidnapped and the Gray Terminal Incident along Sabo's death only got accounted with 4 months in the graph, which I think is rather short. The next thing is a guess again. Luffy headed out on his birthday in May and I gave him six months to reach Moria. Could be longer or shorter - it was just a guess. I really like your theory. Especially your idea of Kaido/Sabo not wanting to attack Whitebeard, rather than helping him, in order to save Ace, which Shanks and the Marines misunderstood, shows that you know about story-telling. But I have to say, that the numbers simply don't match. |
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-Purple line also misleading. Rivalry? We know kaido and Moria fought and Moria lost. Where do you get the whole they were rival for X period of time thing? -Red line once more misleading. Sabo dies 10 years ago from pre timeskip. All we know. -Green and light blue misleading and bordering false info. All we know Moria meets hogback 10 years prior to pre-timeskip and creates zombies for 10 year after his defeat. -Luffy meets shanks 10 years prior to time-skip at the age of 7. yes that's correct. well done. But ... Sabo and ace meet? I might have misinterpreted your graph but Sabo and ace meet at the age 5 or earlier. Afterall they spent 5 years gathering their treasure. not 10 years ago. But rather 15 years from pre-timeskip. - Purple line very misleading. It is heavily hinted right after moria lost his crew he started building his shadow army. That would be 10 years ago. He didn't lose his army 10 to 20 years ago ( what your graph shows). So let me summarize, 10 years pre-timeskip these things happend: What we know happened ( in no specific order) -Moria started building his shadow army after losing his nakama. - Luffy/shanks met. -Ace/Luffy/Sabo met -Sabo died What is strongly hinted ( 10 years ago): -Moria and kaido fought and Then met hogback -sabo rescued by Revolutionaries Indeed, These events can be rearranged in the favor of my theory and your theory. That much i agree and have no objection. But giving misleading information ( at least what i think/believe they are) that i disagree to. Quote:
I feel these are your guesstimates than real/oda approved dates. If they are not just your guesstimates then my apologies ( but please provide links/source). Also a correction. Sabo died 10 years prior to pre-timeskip not 9. Other than question about the months and what i just mentioned above, i don't have any other issues with your graph. Cheers. |
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Your dates are assumptions. Based on your assumption and guesstimate of dates my theory doesn't hold. As i have repeated myself, this is just a theory based on signs/hints. Many other possibilities are open. All i am trying to argue is that Oda sensei have given himself enough leeway to go this path if he choose to. He has not given any facts that contradict this. There is no contradiction nor issues time related wise. So thus far i am not convinced. Many claiming that what i say is flawed because the time doesn't match. But that is not the case. There is nothing in manga that invalidate my theory at least due to time and history of events. Quote:
There are some subtle hints imo, -Kaido trying to gather a huge army to change Akainu's way of government ( Aokiji-smoker chatter). Aokiji talked about how big of a threat Doflamingo's dealing with Kaido could be. These could be linked. This is more of an assumption/guessing than hint. - Why didn't Sabo go help ace? Well what if he actually did as Kaido. Or maybe Sabo is just a high ranking pirate in Kaido's crew. - Also i see a link between an injured Sabo (when/if rescued by dragon), and the high chance Sabo's DF has some sort of heal ability ( Gorosei hinting Marco and Kaido could defeat blackbeard) There are more but let's leave it at that. Also Sabo after being rescued by dragon and revolutionaries, could have been trained by the revolutionaries. Ace and luffy were had relatively much funner life back at their village while Sabo was training hard/mastering Haki, ... . And also you know how in one piece, the celestial dragons and WG can be evil right? Those experiences might have changed his vision drastically and changed the person he once was. This isn't uncommon in anime/manga world. P.S. No one has to agree with me on this theory. The reasoning i have been replaying back, generally was because people were calling this theory factually flawed. I mean i would probably not cared or argued back if people argued about how unoriginal it would be, but since people challenged it's facts, i had an obligation to reply. Last edited by Whitemoon648; 2013-09-08 at 12:09. |
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You're right about those six months... As I said I painted the graphic from what I remembered and I could have sworn, it took Luffy six months.
Still, I highly doubt your theory because there is simply way too less time. Even if Luffy got taken to Sabo one or two days after his birthday - it's up to you to decide the likelihood of this - that would only leave nine months for all the following to happen: - Sabo, Luffy and Ace befriend and become brothers - Sabo gets kidnapped - Gray Terminal Incident with Sabo dying - Sabo healing from his wounds (allrigt, with Iva's help) - Sabo, a 10 year old (!!), getting a motive for and being able to defeat a Shichibukai level opponent and his crew. Actually nine months only if we assume, that it took Luffy a whole year to reach Moria. It's far more likely that this happened faster and that he got taken to Dadan some time after his birthday, which would further shrink the time for all that to happen. But I won't argue with you about that. The time-table would have been a set argument based on the manga, but I remembered the chapter you mentioned falsly. I still doubt your theory but at least it "could" be possible Last edited by ri0; 2013-09-09 at 02:56. |
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@Whitemoon648 - Again, I ask you what you think the likelihood of Sabo being Kaido is. You can put a number to it, and that number will determine the level of merit of your theory. The only thing that is keeping your theory from being completely destroyed is that we don't know Kaido's age. And it's just a matter of time until we're introduced to Kaido and Oda gives us his age in a databook (or perhaps even in the story itself). If he's older than 22, which looks to be very likely, then say goodbye to your theory.
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2013-09-08, 21:09 | Link #160 |
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Best chapter in ages - Scope is finally getting larger. Luffy has fanboys.
Also Sabo being Kaido, Don't see it. We already saw Kaidou has a huge frame and we've also seen what an older Sabo looks like in the what-if picture.
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