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Nightengale · 2007-08-29, 11:35

Yeah, I said I'd let others, but alas...

Translation request, this time from A's.

カード - Card
融合型デバイス - Unison Device

Though looking around in Nanohawiki, I don't think the reason I requested this will be answered clearly though... Even though hints point to only Ancient-types being able to unison, they never outright said that either... I think.

Demon Eyes · 2007-08-30, 23:10

SPOILERSSSSSS

Someone out there please translate...

aers · 2007-08-31, 00:07

Spoiler for 24-26:

S_K · 2007-08-31, 10:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by aers

Spoiler for 24-26:

Yeah! thank you for translating the spoilers

Is there any sign of a season 4

Chaos2Frozen · 2007-08-31, 10:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by S_K

Yeah! thank you for translating the spoilers

Is there any sign of a season 4

No idea, might have to wait longer... Like Sound Stage 4 comes out kind of longer

...

Ottocycle · 2007-08-31, 10:43

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Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

No idea, might have to wait longer... Like Sound Stage 4 comes out kind of longer

...

Oh come on it's just December...

Who knows if I'll be around after that..XD

***relentlessflame*** · 2007-09-01, 00:13

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Originally Posted by S_K

Is there any sign of a season 4

If the sales keep up, then I would guess the odds are pretty good that they'd at least be considering it. But, I think it's getting to the point where they'd almost have to mix things up in a serious way to continue the franchise. They can't just keep adding more characters at this point. Could they do a generation jump next? An OVA series? A Strikers prequel? A spin-off? Hmm...

serenade_beta · 2007-09-01, 00:16

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Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

No idea, might have to wait longer...

I hope Jail is still the main villain. He's too interesting. Plus, a lot of stuff hasn't been revealed about him and his numbers (and Lutecia). I can hope that Sound Stage can cover that, but I'd rather see it than just listening...

Spoiler for Spoiler for 24-26:

Plus, it would be very funny (in a bad way), if they spent the last Stage having Vivio being "moe", and Nanoha wondering is she would be a bad mom...

krisslanza · 2007-09-01, 10:36

On the topic of those spoilers...

Spoiler for Spoilers for 24-26:

Good thing the RAWs will be out before I go to college <<

Tormenk · 2007-09-02, 05:51

So what do we know that seperates the Belka magic system? Ancient Belka that Hayate, Acous and Carim uses, Belka system used by the Wolkenritter and the Neo-Belka magic system used by Subaru and Erio.

Well to start off, I'll list some differences. Ancient Belka requires the caster to recite the entire spell and the spells shown tend to have elemental effects.

Belka and Neo-Belka favours closed range combat with armed devices created in the shape of weapons, along with the usage of the cartridge system to provide the extra power needed at close range. Neo-Belka have some elements of Mid-Childian mixed into it, with users like Erio and Subaru displaying movement spells like sonic move and wing road into combat.

Well thats all I can think of off-hand. The Belka magic system does seem to more varied than its Mid-Childa counterpart hence I thought it might be a worthy topic to bring up since the finer points of what seperates them still aren't clear.

Estavali · 2007-09-02, 08:18

There's a thought that has been bothering me for somewhat. Back in A's, Chrono and Yuuno stated that the Belkan style branched off from the Midchildan system, and etc. Here in StrikerS, we learn that Modern Belka is actually a Midchildan emulation of the Belkan system.

This makes me wonder if the Belka system C&Y were referring to is actually the Modern Belkan system, and the actual Belkan system is really something different (maybe the Ancient Belka style?).

Also, one would wonder how long has Modern Belkan been around? Whatever magic the Knights used in A's fits well with Modern Belkan's definition. Are they MB users, or is what they used merely part of the varieties available to AB users, and that the Midchildans merely copied this part of its grand legacy?

(Heck, the Holy Belkan Empire is starting to influence me again.)

selkirk · 2007-09-02, 09:05

The Wolkenritter use Ancient Belka.

Concerning the date of establishment, from NanohaWiki:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Modern Belka

現在のところ、いつ頃創設された体系なのか等は、詳しく触れられていないので不明。

TL: Up to now, details such as when this system was established have not been mentioned, and thus are unknown.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Estavali

There's a thought that has been bothering me for somewhat. Back in A's, Chrono and Yuuno stated that the Belkan style branched off from the Midchildan system, and etc.

IMHO, this might be a TL mistake from TheTriad.
NanohaWiki:

Quote:

Originally Posted by A's Belka

かつてはミッドチルダ式と次元世界を二分する勢力を誇っていた。現在は衰退しているが、根強い使用者がいる。

TL: Formerly, a system that could boast of dividing the Interdimensional World in two, along with Mid style. This system is now in decline, but it still has strong supporters.
I also just checked the A's episode in question, and

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yuuno

そのむかし、ミッド式と魔法勢力を二分した魔法体系だよ

TL: A long time ago, it was a magic system that, along with Mid style, divided magic influence between the two of them. (bleh, I can't tl today... sounds really weird)
Not "splitting off" from Mid-style, but each sharing a half of the total influence.

Estavali · 2007-09-02, 09:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by selkirk

The Wolkenritter use Ancient Belka.

Concerning the date of establishment, from NanohaWiki:

TL: Up to now, details such as when this system was established have not been mentioned, and thus are unknown.

IMHO, this might be a TL mistake from TheTriad.
NanohaWiki:

TL: Formerly, a system that could boast of dividing the Interdimensional World in two, along with Mid style. This system is now in decline, but it still has strong supporters.
I also just checked the A's episode in question, and

TL: A long time ago, it was a magic system that, along with Mid style, divided magic influence between the two of them. (bleh, I can't tl today... sounds really weird)
Not "splitting off" from Mid-style, but each sharing a half of the total influence.

Thanks, selkirk

. That was fast, and very useful

.

I wonder what the Belka users think of MB though. Could they have seen it as an insult, a joke or a severe copyright issue?

Keroko · 2007-09-02, 09:38

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Originally Posted by Estavali

I wonder what the Belka users think of MB though. Could they have seen it as an insult, a joke or a severe copyright issue?

Or perhaps pride that their style was strong enough to resurect from decline.

Kha · 2007-09-02, 10:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by selkirk

TL: Formerly, a system that could boast of dividing the Interdimensional World in two, along with Mid style. This system is now in decline, but it still has strong supporters.
I also just checked the A's episode in question, and

TL: A long time ago, it was a magic system that, along with Mid style, divided magic influence between the two of them. (bleh, I can't tl today... sounds really weird)
Not "splitting off" from Mid-style, but each sharing a half of the total influence.

I couldn't stop grinning at these two facts. When I crafted the Ancient Belka history, I forgot the branching. But looks like I was correct after all.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keroko

Or perhaps pride that their style was strong enough to resurect from decline.

Especially with a "Messiah of Modern Belka".

Estavali · 2007-09-02, 14:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kha

I couldn't stop grinning at these two facts. When I crafted the Ancient Belka history, I forgot the branching. But looks like I was correct after all.

Myself, I was very much ready to ignore the branching part and use that theory about the real Belka being something different.

Another thing I noted is that so far the Belka cartridge users we've seen (Signum, Vita, Schach and Zest) all use what I call "one-shot-load" weapons (open -> load cartridge -> slam -> explosion! -> used up -> open -> load cartridge....), whereas the Midchildan and MB cartridge systems are usually automatic stuff (something like chain loading and sorts).

I wonder (again) if this merely a difference in fighting style (since the Midchildans are generally spellcasters and would thus need more MP within a short period of time, compared to the Knights who just need enough to buff them for a certain period of time), or does Belkan cartridges generally hold more power than their Midchildan counterparts?

Keroko · 2007-09-02, 14:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Estavali

Myself, I was very much ready to ignore the branching part and use that theory about the real Belka being something different.

Another thing I noted is that so far the Belka cartridge users we've seen (Signum, Vita, Schach and Zest) all use what I call "one-shot-load" weapons (open -> load cartridge -> slam -> explosion! -> used up -> open -> load cartridge....), whereas the Midchildan and MB cartridge systems are usually automatic stuff (something like chain loading and sorts).

I wonder (again) if this merely a difference in fighting style (since the Midchildans are generally spellcasters and would thus need more MP within a short period of time, compared to the Knights who just need enough to buff them for a certain period of time), or does Belkan cartridges generally hold more power than their Midchildan counterparts?

Well, the melee Velka users you're refering too do the same as the caster Velka users, really. They either power up single attacks, or activate higher forms.

Estavali · 2007-09-03, 04:21

Is there anywhere that shows the ages (and canon past, if possible) of the support cast, paticularly Carim and Acous?

Nightengale · 2007-09-03, 04:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Estavali

Is there anywhere that shows the ages (and canon past, if possible) of the support cast, paticularly Carim and Acous?

I don't think so. I don't see their ages listed anywhere thus far, even Nanohawiki.

We should be able to overall guess though. From Chrono and Acous's conversation, they're probably around the same age, and since Chrono, Acous and Carim were friends for a long time, Carim herself probably isn't that much older either.

Estavali · 2007-09-03, 10:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightengale

I don't think so. I don't see their ages listed anywhere thus far, even Nanohawiki.

We should be able to overall guess though. From Chrono and Acous's conversation, they're probably around the same age, and since Chrono, Acous and Carim were friends for a long time, Carim herself probably isn't that much older either.

Hmm, in that case, that would put Acous in his early to mid-twenties. As for Carim,perhaps she's somewhere near to late-twenties to early thirties?

2007-08-29, 11:35	Link #1401
Nightengale ~Night of Gales~ Author Join Date: Dec 2005	Yeah, I said I'd let others, but alas... Translation request, this time from A's. カード - Card 融合型デバイス - Unison Device Though looking around in Nanohawiki, I don't think the reason I requested this will be answered clearly though... Even though hints point to only Ancient-types being able to unison, they never outright said that either... I think. __________________ *Night~and~Gale: ~ The Final Mythology of the Man who Defied Destiny.* The sleeping lion shall awaken beyond the depths of time, crossing ten billion lights, come to Terra. Last edited by Nightengale; 2007-08-29 at 11:48.

2007-08-31, 00:07	Link #1403
aers Senior Member Fansubber Join Date: Dec 2006	Spoiler for 24-26: 第24話「雷光」地上本部で遭遇するかつての親友同士、ゼストとレジアス。悲しみの中で戦うルーテシアとルーテシアの命令を守るガリューを前に、キャロとエリオは懸命の想いを伝える。スカリエッティのアジト内では、フェイトはザンバーを砕かれ、苦戦を強いられながらも戦い続ける。そんな状況のフェイトに、エリオとキャロが伝えた想いと言葉は… 絵コンテ：長尾粛　演出：笹木史郎　作画監督：佐藤天昭 Episode 24 - Lightning At Ground Forces HQ, the former close friends Zest and Regius finally encounter one another again. Fighting within the sadness, Caro and Elio convey their earnest feelings before Lutecia and her obedient Garyuu. Inside Scaglietti's hideout, Fate continues fighting a difficult battle even though Zanber is broken. Like in Fate's situation, the feelings and words conveyed by Elio and Caro... 第25話「ファイナル･リミット」地上と空での戦いが続く中、重傷を負い疲労しながらも駆動路破壊に向かうヴィータ。玉座の間で、玉座を守る生体兵器きとして覚醒し、襲い来るヴィヴィオを救助しようとするなのは。そして最後に残った戦闘機人として、聖王のゆりかごを飛ばし続けるクアットロ。止まらない運命と戦いの中、なのははブラスターモードを全開放する。絵コンテ：草川啓造・まついひとゆき　演出：古川政美　作画監督：橋本貴吉 Episode 25 - Final Limit While battles continue on the ground and in the sky, Vita drives onward despite exhaustion caused by her serious injuries. In the throne room, Nanoha attempts to save Vivio who has awakened as a living weapon to defend the throne. As the final remaining Combat Cyborg, Quattro continues to fly the Cradle of the Saints. Fighting against unstoppable destiny, Nanoha unleashes the full power of Blaster Mode. 第26話「約束の空へ」聖王のゆりかごと地上での決戦を経て、「レリック事件」から端を発した「ジェイル・スカリエッテイ事件」は終わりを告げる。逮捕されたスカリエッティやナンバーズたち、保護されたルーテシアとアギト。平和を取り戻した世界で静かに過ぎてゆく時間の中、それぞれの視点で事件を思う一同。そして、機動六課はその役目と運用期間を無事に終えることとなり… 絵コンテ・演出：吉田泰三　作画監督：小森篤 Episode 26 - To the Promised Sky With the decisive battles in the Cradle of the Saints and on the ground over, the "Relic Incident" and the "Jail Scaglietti Incident" that originated from it are brought to an end. Scaglietti and the Numbers are arrested, and Lutecia and Agito are given shelter. In the newly peaceful world, everyone thinks of their own opinions on the incidents. And then, Sixth Division finish their duties and employment period safely...

2007-09-01, 10:36	Link #1409
krisslanza Sleep beneath the flowers Join Date: May 2007 Location: Lording above all of humanity >;3 Age: 34	On the topic of those spoilers... Spoiler for Spoilers for 24-26: I have a feeling Zest and Vivio will probably end up dead. Vivio just from the wording and the fact she isn't mentioned in the 26 summary... But mainly just the fact she's a living weapon and Nanoha has to face 'unstoppable destiny' Good thing the RAWs will be out before I go to college << __________________

2007-09-02, 08:18	Link #1411
Estavali 物語は、もう、おしまい……？ Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: In the Horizon Age: 43	There's a thought that has been bothering me for somewhat. Back in A's, Chrono and Yuuno stated that the Belkan style branched off from the Midchildan system, and etc. Here in StrikerS, we learn that Modern Belka is actually a Midchildan emulation of the Belkan system. This makes me wonder if the Belka system C&Y were referring to is actually the Modern Belkan system, and the actual Belkan system is really something different (maybe the Ancient Belka style?). Also, one would wonder how long has Modern Belkan been around? Whatever magic the Knights used in A's fits well with Modern Belkan's definition. Are they MB users, or is what they used merely part of the varieties available to AB users, and that the Midchildans merely copied this part of its grand legacy? (Heck, the Holy Belkan Empire is starting to influence me again.) __________________ Signature by liro

2007-09-03, 04:21	Link #1418
Estavali 物語は、もう、おしまい……？ Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: In the Horizon Age: 43	Is there anywhere that shows the ages (and canon past, if possible) of the support cast, paticularly Carim and Acous? __________________ Signature by liro

2007-08-30, 23:10	Link #1402
Demon Eyes May Haru-ki Be With You Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Dublin	SPOILERSSSSSS Someone out there please translate...

2007-09-02, 05:51	Link #1410
Tormenk Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Gaf's Room	So what do we know that seperates the Belka magic system? Ancient Belka that Hayate, Acous and Carim uses, Belka system used by the Wolkenritter and the Neo-Belka magic system used by Subaru and Erio. Well to start off, I'll list some differences. Ancient Belka requires the caster to recite the entire spell and the spells shown tend to have elemental effects. Belka and Neo-Belka favours closed range combat with armed devices created in the shape of weapons, along with the usage of the cartridge system to provide the extra power needed at close range. Neo-Belka have some elements of Mid-Childian mixed into it, with users like Erio and Subaru displaying movement spells like sonic move and wing road into combat. Well thats all I can think of off-hand. The Belka magic system does seem to more varied than its Mid-Childa counterpart hence I thought it might be a worthy topic to bring up since the finer points of what seperates them still aren't clear.