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jeroz · 2014-07-11, 23:39

I miss Ga-Rei Zero

which is why I'm having such nergasm throughout this episode. I highly doubt that they will appear once again though. As a hook it certainly helped, and this episode sets the tone very nicely before going back to the good old world and character building in the next episode. Despite having not read the manga, "Girl meets Boy" sounds very like the title of the first chapter.

Kyouka · 2014-07-12, 00:01

i know the author did ga-rei but why is my <3 yomi in tokyo esp???

Side-streetdog · 2014-07-12, 00:20

Never thought to see Natsuki and friend again, AWESOME!!

serenade_beta · 2014-07-12, 00:28

Spoiler for ep1:

Ultraviolet X · 2014-07-12, 00:28

Okay, just watched ESP episode 1 and I generally don't like the way its done (more specifically, how the story begins). I can more or less get whats going on here (mainly because of the similarities to X-Men), and the fighting is certainly nice, but I don't know any of these characters at all. So I really can't say I care about any of them.

Still, it looks interesting enough, ill hang around till episode 3, before I decide to drop or continue it.

Greenish Growth · 2014-07-12, 01:06

I didn't care for how the first episode was handled. I would have preferred this episode to be late in the series. It's hard to have empathy for the character's situations when they skip all the way to the end of the story like that. They also spoiled some things that were surprises for me in the manga. Those surprises will not be surprises in the anime version.

On a positive note, I liked the artwork. It looked better than expected.

p-kun · 2014-07-12, 03:15

Awful 1st episode. Too much time spent on anime only characters who don't matter storyline wise (the little girl and the female bomber were especially annoying). I hope this is not 1 cour, because the director has just wasted 1 precious episode to show off his incompetence.

The minor villains and their costumes are laughably evil (some reminds me of buzz lightyear costume). It's been a while since I last saw the manga, but if I'm not mistaken no one wear silly costumes in the manga. The anime character designer should get fired, really!

ReddyRedWolf · 2014-07-12, 04:03

Hold it Tokyo ESP is part of an extended universe? I never got that impression in the manga. Maybe I should start reading again.

felix · 2014-07-12, 06:12

My problem with the first episode is the bad guys motivation, which generally gives the following vibe:

(presumably) people persecute espers so we're going to totally make justify their persecution of espers
we want to be leaders of the world even though we don't give a crap about "public order" or "society" and dont stand to gain anything from "world leader" title as nobody would follow anything we say
we want to kill all humans, even though if we kill all humans we would go back to the stone age and probably die because of how clearly confy and "modern" we are
we like to torture little children, and bystanders, to show how "just we are"
with our actions we're gonna make everyone hunt every esper out there, good plan
allow us to demonstrate how much of a bunch of psychopaths we are

To put it simply, they are CHEAP, lazily written, unimaginative and out right insulting. I think the author missed the point of "make your antogonists unlikable so the heroes look good." You're not suppose to make them so unlikable that you dont give a crap about the protagonists kicking their butts, you just don't want to see them on screen! You're suppose to make them "respectable" but "in the wrong."

I'll give this series a few more episodes. All credit to it, artstyle is good, animation is good, characters from a purely "powers" perspective are okeyish (for now), but the writing... UGH! Everything else about it can be masterpiece, but when the story feels like it's trying to turn you into a moron the entire thing gets a big fat 1/10 from me.

Mr Nr · 2014-07-12, 06:25

A pretty interesting way to start the anime to what is supposedly the end of an arc from what I heard. Not sure whether they're going to go back to the beginning or not at the very least it's interesting. Has huge X-Men vibes as many people has pointed out. Haven't watched nor read this manga nor Ga-rei or the prequel anime so I wouldn't know the cameos. Animation was pretty good considering there's a lot of things going on it's just the cgi that ticks me but that just might be me. I'm very interested to see where this goes so I'll continue watching it.

felix · 2014-07-12, 06:41

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Originally Posted by Mr Nr

Animation was pretty good considering there's a lot of things going on it's just the cgi that ticks me but that just might be me.

Personally didn't notice it at all (except for sfx, which I'm completely fine being computer generated).

I'm pretty sure there is and if I go back with my mind on cgi I would probably notice it.

I'd say 97% indistinguishable for me (sfx not considered).

Not saying the people who did are nit picky; if it's not 99.9999% indistinguishable it can be improved.

Tenzen12 · 2014-07-12, 06:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by felix

My problem with the first episode is the bad guys motivation, which generally gives the following vibe:

(presumably) people persecute espers so we're going to totally make justify their persecution of espers
we want to be leaders of the world even though we don't give a crap about "public order" or "society" and dont stand to gain anything from "world leader" title as nobody would follow anything we say
we want to kill all humans, even though if we kill all humans we would go back to the stone age and probably die because of how clearly confy and "modern" we are
we like to torture little children, and bystanders, to show how "just we are"
with our actions we're gonna make everyone hunt every esper out there, good plan
allow us to demonstrate how much of a bunch of psychopaths we are

To put it simply, they are CHEAP, lazily written, unimaginative and out right insulting. I think the author missed the point of "make your antogonists unlikable so the heroes look good." You're not suppose to make them so unlikable that you dont give a crap about the protagonists kicking their butts, you just don't want to see them on screen! You're suppose to make them "respectable" but "in the wrong."

I'll give this series a few more episodes. All credit to it, artstyle is good, animation is good, characters from a purely "powers" perspective are okeyish (for now), but the writing... UGH! Everything else about it can be masterpiece, but when the story feels like it's trying to turn you into a moron the entire thing gets a big fat 1/10 from me.

So you think you can see through these characters after single episode and "official" speach? You don't know nothing even about main characters, seen only pictures of protagonist, where in this is enough space to draw any conclusions ?

felix · 2014-07-12, 07:21

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Originally Posted by Tenzen12

So you think you can see through these characters after single episode and "official" speach? You don't know nothing even about main characters, seen only pictures of protagonist, where in this is enough space to draw any conclusions ?

My problem is only with the antagonists which were all that was shown this episode. I don't have an opinion on the protagonists, other then that they seem okey from the little we got of them.

If I got a poor impression then it's not my fault, it's their fault for doing a poor job of adapting it.

Your argument on the inversion of responsibility here is nonsensical. Let's say we have to series A and B, the former has the greatest first episode in history, the latter has the worst first episode in history. Your argument is that it's not their responsibility to present it in an appealing manner, but somehow I need to build in my head the various intricacies required of a good show in either case; and clearly any negative conclusion I draw are wrong because the power of "what-if" and "I-read-the-version-that-didnt-botch-it." Therefore because B has can-do-no-wrong and A is conveniently unaffected by this logic, by your logic we conclude A = B, best = worst, which is nonsense. Therefore your claim of me being responsible for finding it good is nonsense.

Mind you we're talking about the antagonists, since I didn't claim to dislike much of anything else about it.

I haven't read the material, so for me the adaptation has the potential of being both a good and bad adaptation, and going by the first episode I can only assume it's currently a shitty adaptation. The quality of the original is irrelevant; adaptations have been botched before.

Let's hope it can sidestep to the right path in the next few episodes.

jeroz · 2014-07-12, 07:42

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Originally Posted by serenade_beta

Spoiler for ep1:

this is more like ep2 of GRZ, to the exact same effect as well.

Kazu-kun · 2014-07-12, 08:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by felix

If I got a poor impression then it's not my fault

It is your fault for drawing conclusions from just one episode. We don't know anything about these character yet, villains included.

Yu Ominae · 2014-07-12, 08:30

I LOLed on how Tetsu Inada voiced Rinka's old man and the agent with white hair and beard from the SDCD since they have same appearances. There's a case for casting gag. XD

Om Nerabdator · 2014-07-12, 08:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by felix

My problem with the first episode is the bad guys motivation, which generally gives the following vibe:

(presumably) people persecute espers so we're going to totally make justify their persecution of espers
we want to be leaders of the world even though we don't give a crap about "public order" or "society" and dont stand to gain anything from "world leader" title as nobody would follow anything we say
we want to kill all humans, even though if we kill all humans we would go back to the stone age and probably die because of how clearly confy and "modern" we are
we like to torture little children, and bystanders, to show how "just we are"
with our actions we're gonna make everyone hunt every esper out there, good plan
allow us to demonstrate how much of a bunch of psychopaths we are

To put it simply, they are CHEAP, lazily written, unimaginative and out right insulting. I think the author missed the point of "make your antogonists unlikable so the heroes look good." You're not suppose to make them so unlikable that you dont give a crap about the protagonists kicking their butts, you just don't want to see them on screen! You're suppose to make them "respectable" but "in the wrong."

I'll give this series a few more episodes. All credit to it, artstyle is good, animation is good, characters from a purely "powers" perspective are okeyish (for now), but the writing... UGH! Everything else about it can be masterpiece, but when the story feels like it's trying to turn you into a moron the entire thing gets a big fat 1/10 from me.

yeah i agree with ya there, theres nothing more worst in a show when the bad guys are just stupidly evil *cough* sympogears mad scientist *cough*

MartianMage · 2014-07-12, 08:44

Pretty ok first episode... though IMO that between this first episode and Ga-rei's first... Ga-rei still wins...

also...

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Originally Posted by askara

Why does manga by this author always get butcher like hell in anime?i read the manga till part 1 so basically anime start at the final arc of part 1 of the manga.

Just cause it doesn't follow the source material doesn't mean it's bad. Ga-rei: Zero IMHO is way better than them trying to do a straight up adaptation of the manga. Ga-rei and Tokyo ESP manga are decent at best IMO so if they follow it straight they'd just end up with a decent anime at best.

Friday · 2014-07-12, 09:06

give it a few more episodes.....

Arya · 2014-07-12, 09:42

Not bad. Yes, some characterizations felt a bit too villain-ish and not in the good way, but just put a double sword high school girl in whatever the context you prefer, and I'd be sold in any case

Back to the episode, I was completely clueless of what I was going to see except for the brief synopsis I read in which I remember clearly only "a poor girl meets some flying animals". So I was expecting some slow paced introductory episode to establish the settings. Instead I got the exact opposite. And it was quite interesting, even if it reminded a bit too much, as already pointed out by everyone, of X-Men.

Surely the moment I saw that girl on the motorbike I immediately thought...the last time I saw a skilled hottie on a motorbike she didn't last much, I hope this one will

Also the name somehow seemed familiar, but only when I came here I finally knew they where the same person. I'm glad to see her again.

So, I need to see the main heroine before jumping to any conclusion. Surely Minami seems to know her and share something with her.
tl:tr; Nanami stole the episode for me, keep her in the spotlight!!!

2014-07-11, 23:39	Link #41
jeroz Art Block Specialist Join Date: Jun 2007	I miss Ga-Rei Zero which is why I'm having such nergasm throughout this episode. I highly doubt that they will appear once again though. As a hook it certainly helped, and this episode sets the tone very nicely before going back to the good old world and character building in the next episode. Despite having not read the manga, "Girl meets Boy" sounds very like the title of the first chapter. __________________ [TAC]

2014-07-12, 00:20	Link #43
Side-streetdog Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007	Never thought to see Natsuki and friend again, AWESOME!! __________________

2014-07-12, 00:28	Link #44
serenade_beta そのおっぱいで13才 Join Date: Dec 2006	Spoiler for ep1: The first half was very eye-catching, mainly because of the cameo appearances of the Ga-rei Zero characters. And... the 2nd half was just as about cold and boring as can be. Characters were... and it was like a dumbed down X-Men. And should the anime do a 180 like Ga-rei Zero... Well, let's just say Ga-rei Zero did their first episode right. This on the other hand... __________________ -Blog --> http://tdnshumi.blogspot.com/ (Mainly about video games) -R.I.P. Hiroshi Yamauchi, Gaming wouldn't have been the same without you (9/19/13)

2014-07-12, 06:12	Link #49
felix sleepyhead Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: event horizon	My problem with the first episode is the bad guys motivation, which generally gives the following vibe: (presumably) people persecute espers so we're going to totally make justify their persecution of espers we want to be leaders of the world even though we don't give a crap about "public order" or "society" and dont stand to gain anything from "world leader" title as nobody would follow anything we say we want to kill all humans, even though if we kill all humans we would go back to the stone age and probably die because of how clearly confy and "modern" we are we like to torture little children, and bystanders, to show how "just we are" with our actions we're gonna make everyone hunt every esper out there, good plan allow us to demonstrate how much of a bunch of psychopaths we are To put it simply, they are CHEAP, lazily written, unimaginative and out right insulting. I think the author missed the point of "make your antogonists unlikable so the heroes look good." You're not suppose to make them so unlikable that you dont give a crap about the protagonists kicking their butts, you just don't want to see them on screen! You're suppose to make them "respectable" but "in the wrong." I'll give this series a few more episodes. All credit to it, artstyle is good, animation is good, characters from a purely "powers" perspective are okeyish (for now), but the writing... UGH! Everything else about it can be masterpiece, but when the story feels like it's trying to turn you into a moron the entire thing gets a big fat 1/10 from me. __________________

2014-07-12, 08:30	Link #56
Yu Ominae ARCAM Spriggan agent Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Coquitlam, BC, Canada/Quezon City, Philippines	I LOLed on how Tetsu Inada voiced Rinka's old man and the agent with white hair and beard from the SDCD since they have same appearances. There's a case for casting gag. XD __________________ Even if we were at odds with each other, I still thank you for training me, Instructor Bowman - Yu Ominae, reflecting on Bowman's death after killing him in Phantom Island

2014-07-12, 00:01	Link #42
Kyouka Is Here Join Date: Oct 2010 Age: 33	i know the author did ga-rei but why is my <3 yomi in tokyo esp???

2014-07-12, 00:28	Link #45
Ultraviolet X Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2014	Okay, just watched ESP episode 1 and I generally don't like the way its done (more specifically, how the story begins). I can more or less get whats going on here (mainly because of the similarities to X-Men), and the fighting is certainly nice, but I don't know any of these characters at all. So I really can't say I care about any of them. Still, it looks interesting enough, ill hang around till episode 3, before I decide to drop or continue it.

2014-07-12, 01:06	Link #46
Greenish Growth Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003	I didn't care for how the first episode was handled. I would have preferred this episode to be late in the series. It's hard to have empathy for the character's situations when they skip all the way to the end of the story like that. They also spoiled some things that were surprises for me in the manga. Those surprises will not be surprises in the anime version. On a positive note, I liked the artwork. It looked better than expected.

2014-07-12, 03:15	Link #47
p-kun Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009	Awful 1st episode. Too much time spent on anime only characters who don't matter storyline wise (the little girl and the female bomber were especially annoying). I hope this is not 1 cour, because the director has just wasted 1 precious episode to show off his incompetence. The minor villains and their costumes are laughably evil (some reminds me of buzz lightyear costume). It's been a while since I last saw the manga, but if I'm not mistaken no one wear silly costumes in the manga. The anime character designer should get fired, really!

2014-07-12, 04:03	Link #48
ReddyRedWolf Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006	Hold it Tokyo ESP is part of an extended universe? I never got that impression in the manga. Maybe I should start reading again.

2014-07-12, 06:25	Link #50
Mr Nr Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014	A pretty interesting way to start the anime to what is supposedly the end of an arc from what I heard. Not sure whether they're going to go back to the beginning or not at the very least it's interesting. Has huge X-Men vibes as many people has pointed out. Haven't watched nor read this manga nor Ga-rei or the prequel anime so I wouldn't know the cameos. Animation was pretty good considering there's a lot of things going on it's just the cgi that ticks me but that just might be me. I'm very interested to see where this goes so I'll continue watching it.

2014-07-12, 09:06	Link #59
Friday Im shy too... Join Date: May 2006 Location: Invercargill Southland, New Zealand	give it a few more episodes..... __________________ Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.

2014-07-12, 09:42	Link #60
Arya Senior Member Join Date: May 2004	Not bad. Yes, some characterizations felt a bit too villain-ish and not in the good way, but just put a double sword high school girl in whatever the context you prefer, and I'd be sold in any case Back to the episode, I was completely clueless of what I was going to see except for the brief synopsis I read in which I remember clearly only "a poor girl meets some flying animals". So I was expecting some slow paced introductory episode to establish the settings. Instead I got the exact opposite. And it was quite interesting, even if it reminded a bit too much, as already pointed out by everyone, of X-Men. Surely the moment I saw that girl on the motorbike I immediately thought...the last time I saw a skilled hottie on a motorbike she didn't last much, I hope this one will Also the name somehow seemed familiar, but only when I came here I finally knew they where the same person. I'm glad to see her again. So, I need to see the main heroine before jumping to any conclusion. Surely Minami seems to know her and share something with her. tl:tr; Nanami stole the episode for me, keep her in the spotlight!!! __________________ *The meaning of things lies not in the things themselves, but in our attitude towards them.*