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PS: LKK, I think you're spelling it right. That's how I always remember to spell it anywya. PPS: Rajura, if you're willing to spend $60 on the life-sized poster of Horo... eBay.
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2010-03-20, 16:45 | Link #482 | |
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Funny enough, I may actually be willing to drop about $40 total for the poster of "bride-version" Hol(r)o... if I found it for sale by itself. Problem is, I have only seen it with the game, and in such cases, the person was wanting 35,000 yen. That is way too much (simply because the game is sealed... I don't care; I wanna open it... and besides the copy I bought had everything but that poster so... anywa, I wouldn't want to keep it sealed, so it's not a good investment/use (i.e. waste) of money for me. Of course when the time comes, I might be willing to go higher in what I'm willing to spend. I am quite notorious for that!
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2010-03-20, 20:03 | Link #483 | |
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It is a used article. The price may be somewhat higher than other exhibits. http://page6.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/f90608859 |
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2010-03-20, 20:13 | Link #484 | |
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So, if anyone here wants to buy this, and then let me buy the Hol(r)o poster from the first game (bride/wife version) from them... I would be all about that (though I know most people would not want to part with it). Thanks for keeping me in mind Kaguya! I really appreciate it.
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2010-03-20, 22:40 | Link #486 |
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I feel your pain... I shall keep looking for it as a lone item (or as part of a package at $40 or less), but as always, Kaguya is being incredibly helpful providing us with access to all kinds of resources!
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2010-03-21, 02:36 | Link #487 | |
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Much as I'd love this, I cant read a word of Japanese Ps. Am I the only one wondering if that bride artwork means something? The novels ending with them getting married via a pagan priest or something like that would be a pretty sweet ending, especially if Holo found a way to, at least slightly, extend Lawrence's lifespan (I wouldn't put it past her, spirits seem to have all sorts of powers and capabilities in stories, not to mention there are all sorts of devices for extending human lifespan in stories too)
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2010-03-21, 04:55 | Link #488 | |
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If that was the goal, I think they accomplished it!
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2010-03-21, 05:02 | Link #489 |
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Aye that's very true, it could just as much be a bit of fun. Isuna Hasakura wouldn't be the first author to have an idea or a very rough framework of how his books end before hes finished writing them however
Its a nice picture anyway. If any more decent scans are produced at a reasonable size (I know Starburst mentioned DPI is lower, but then I had to massively scale down the last print anyway ) I'll look if I can produce backgrounds from any of em.
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As was brought up earlier, Light Novels are an experimentation, if the series even looks like it might be unsuccessful, it has a much higher chance of getting dropped for something more dependable, if even a few of the companies that pick this stuff up rejected Spice and Wolf, that would have put the projects future in doubt, and possibly other projects as well, Yen Press is a very small part of Hachette Books. Playing it safe reduces the chance of this happening, and however you look at it, the new cover was a much safer bet to draw interest in the international (not just US) market than the original, which carries its own stigma. Quote:
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People into Anime/Manga may well have heard of the property already, especially because of how well its done in Japan and I've seen it recommended at least a few times, hell thats how I found the series myself. People outside of this segment won't though, so they need to work harder to appeal to them, a cover with more mainstream credibility is one way to do that. The new cover would fit inside your average sci-fi section, and the book itself could be put into the Japanese section as well, if they have one, giving it a dual placement. The original cover would usually result in the book being relegated to a corner somewhere because of the stigma and generally niche target audience, whereas the overall sci-fi community is much larger, and gives the book a chance to be picked up by a wider range of retailers, such as those who ignore anime/manga and purely focus on stuff billed as scifi, there are a few BIG mail order clubs on this side of the pond who deal with stuff like that. Quote:
Whilst the fan translations is a great idea it has drawbacks: A) Its a niche project, I only saw it by luck, and Im sure many others who could enjoy the series would never have seen it, ever. Fan translations also vary in quality and how well they stick to the original material, or whether they change the flavour of anything; a fairly common complaint about anime subs/dubs as well. B) Is it genuinely a good thing that the author gets nothing for his work? By licensing the work out in the western world, not only is the series getting brought to a wider range of people and availability, but the author himself and the people he work for are getting rewarded for the work, much as it may be laughable, money can be an exceptional motivation, but even more importantly also pays bills to allow people time to write stuff! Its not only about money either, it's also about showing support, as far as it goes in the world, people reading free, unlicensed scanlations/translations do not count. Businesses do not necessarily see these figures, what they want to see is cold hard sales or similar, its only by supporting the works of Isuna Hasekura and others like him, that works continue to get published, written and new works sought out. If there's no market, the avaibility of materials dries up full stop. Why do you think there are so few bookstores these days; people just aren't buying books in the same way. I say this as a low level background writer on a project myself (although it is just a small part time media project and the work its going into will likely not see the light of day for a few years). If the book market dies out because people think its no longer commercially viable, there will still be stuff published, but how much do you really think? Without support and a target market, a large number of books would just never happen. Yeah, the wait for the licensed novels is painstaking, and I'd love to have 'em quicker, but the translation is up to a good and relatively consistant standard by all accounts, and without the support of fans and the marketplace, books like Spice and Wolf would never have happened in the first place. After all, isn't it mentioned in an afterword the original idea/book was written for a competition, a competition likely funded by either an arts, book, or commercial concern. If everyone just reads fan translations or similar, it only hurts the market in the long run, and will only reduce the number of works out there, if it gets to the point businesses can no longer viably perform the way they need to, or those businesses interest in certain markets and fields. As the saying goes, money talks while bull**** walks.
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But expanding on that... Licensing your content to publishers does have the potential to increase your audience. But so does the Internet. One can offer their content freely until they have a large audience, then sell them things. Web comics, and authors do this all the time. Penny Arcade and Wil Wheaton are I think good examples of this. An additional benefit to using the Internet to publish, the overhead is incredibly low. You can publish online for $10/mo which is nothing. You can even sell your eBooks for whatever and it's 99% profit. Wil Wheaton uses Lulu to sell his books, using their Book Cost Calculator, printing one 240 page book (Spice & Wolf) would cost $9.30. That's a single book, the more you make the lower the per unit cost. Wil charges $20 for his book Memories of the Future Volume 1, at 138 pages (as per the digital copy I bought for $10). So even if he were to sell one that's $12.74 profit. If he sells 1,000, that's $16,320 profit as the per unit cost drops to some $3.68. But anyway I'm getting too far off topic. I only mentioned the wiki project off handedly and don't expect the entire industry to change just because Wil Wheaton publishes books online. Just offering an alternative perspective to the old fashioned thoughts I felt you presented, that being that without licensing and publishers one couldn't get their content to a wide audience. Oh yeah, it's fan translations that created this whole market. But that's another arguement for another day, in another thread.
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2010-03-22, 15:45 | Link #494 |
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After that, although I looked into the main auction websites, there was no item of only the bridal-version poster now.
Since hundreds of items are always sold at the auction, the item of only a poster will be found some day. By the way, the auction item in which I got interested is this. Spoiler for large pictures:
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Hahah, now those are awesome. I wonder if those art frames from the animation come framed to stop them getting damaged. If they released some of those as coloured cells (like you see being released for some famous american moves) they'd make really good collectors items, I'd buy one if it didnt cost me a bomb to buy/import, as its some sweet drawing, and its not quite as unexplainable as say, the slightly iffy pillow covers
Is that a cup with that canned bread. I'd actually buy one of those if I ever saw it not costing a bomb I dont really go for collectables but that'd be a really sweet thing to have, and you could get away with having it in your cupboard without too many funny looks The box artwork is good too...shame you dont get that sort of stuff over here *Goes back to wanting a Spice and Wolf Season 3...a lot...and more novels, and an increase in the publication rate!*
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2010-03-22, 16:48 | Link #496 |
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I want a scan of that card!
I've never been a fan of the key animation drawings or individual cells. More a fan of a finished product. I'm always reminded of the Simpsons episode where Bart buys the Itchy and Scratchy animation cell of like, one of their legs. Always a fan of more artwork though, in completed form. Ended up buying the Spice & Wolf Dengeki Comic Anthology Manga book, which will be great since I can't read it lol. Kaguya, do you run a German blog? I recall seeing that bread box reviewed on a German blog.
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2010-03-22, 18:14 | Link #497 |
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Man Kaguya, those items you posted are great... and I am nerd enough to wanna buy them. I agree with Star... I am more of a fan of the fonished product and a colo(u)red cell would be great, but I'd be happy with sketch cells!
I'm waiting to see if the Dengeki Anthology gets an English makeover as I will be broke if I buy everything in Eng. and Nih. (If it will, it will be announced within the next 6 months... I'm fairly sure). I have seen that mug available for sale on a few sites... know for certain I've seen it on Yahoo Japan at one point. There is at least one other mug I have seen with Hol(r)o on it. May break down and get 'em if I ever saw them together, but I don't wanna go off the deep end getting S&W merchandise! Oh and mmmmmmmmm... candy apples are always a good idea!
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2010-03-23, 03:03 | Link #498 |
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Found the artbook on Mandarake just now. Only ¥1,100!
http://ekizo.mandarake.co.jp/shop/en/item_s-155603.html
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2010-03-23, 04:08 | Link #499 | |
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Arggggh! I had by-passed them earlier because so much of their stuff had been too expensive when I looked... sorry!
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