2012-01-13, 13:17 | Link #441 |
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Each series brought more life to the franchise, but as you open new doors, it leaves a lot of open space for development they may never address. Give in take, I've no qualms.
As for this, well if they are removing good parts of the original series, then its tricky if I'll enjoy them as much.
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2012-01-13, 13:19 | Link #442 |
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I like A's best, and I'd say the original season is my least favorite. Not because it's bad, just not quite as interesting to rewatch. Guess it's the comedic aspects being more prevalent, perhaps.
But, the simple thing here is the longer something goes on, the more likely there will be people who dislike the new things and prefer old stuff. The series hasn't crashed, but there are people who wish it had I suppose (which seems odd, but not really the point here). |
2012-01-13, 16:13 | Link #444 | |
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I think the Nanoha movie proved that the only reason StrikerS is the most popular of the three seasons, is because it was the franchises most recent installment. The Nanoha movie sales were better than any season and it was a remake of the season which did the worst. A's had a huge hurdle to overcome, because the first season was not taken too highly, meanwhile, strikers was a direct sequel to a great season.
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2012-01-13, 16:37 | Link #445 | |
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Agreed completely. Bigger not always means better.
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As for the sales, StrikerS got it a lot easier because it had the support of two previous Seasons that opened the path and make "Nanoha" a recognized franchise(everybody hated Spider-man 3 despite how well it did in ticket sales). Season One started with obscure support from the Toraha series whila A's had to convince a dubitative audience with mixed opinions about S1, and it did an excellent job at it xD!
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2012-01-13, 18:40 | Link #446 |
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While quality over quantity is indeed something I often support, I must say I find the Vivid cast, which exists almost entirely out of these 'excess characters', to be very entertaining.
Quality is good, but quantity yields more variety. And variety is the spice of life. |
2012-01-13, 18:45 | Link #447 | |
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The StrikerS aspects would have initially turned me away. However, I do sorta respect the concept of the StrikerS attempt at more expansive world building which was a severe weakness of the first 2 seasons, though unfortunately the actual product felt like half the content of A's in twice the time. And that budget... Truthfully, the franchise in its current state would have never attracted me, but then again I guess I am a fan of traditional MG at heart. Magical boy Marty Stu doesn't work, but I admit my biases. :3 (There is only one Touma, and he punches bitches!)
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2012-01-13, 18:56 | Link #448 | |
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While also acontinuing the story in Force for those who got engaged by the concept presented in StrikerS. I'm also a fan of Mahou Shoujo at heart and what i liked the most about the franchise was the interesting concept of mixing the values and charm of a mahou shoujo anime with the action and flashy moves of a mecha series. StrikerS inclined much more for the mecha half of the series and Force is going even further into that, i struggled enormously with that for a looooong time. But i started to make a mental division between S1/A's and StrikerS/Force in terms of conceptualization in order to be able to stop the contionuous comparission. Not everything about the latter two is bad, tough. I'm glad for the appearance of certain characters like Subaru and Agito. And while i'm not dying of love for Force, i at least find Veyron and Tohma interesting and i'm bitting my nails to see what will happen to Signum/Agito.
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2012-01-14, 13:35 | Link #450 |
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This might be a random thought, but it just came to me. What if Chrono replaced Yuuno's role in fighting off Vita? He's a more capable combatant than Yuuno is, and I always thought it was a little strange for the ferret to be fighting dead even with someone who smashed Nanoha. Yuuno's specialty is barriers, and Vita's supposedly good at smashing them, and Yuuno holding her off while healing Nanoha might have been a bit unreasonable. At least, Chrono fighting off Vita might make more sense, and it would probably make for a more flashy battle than Yuuno on the defensive the entire time.
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2012-01-14, 13:58 | Link #451 |
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^ I don't think Yuuno holding Vita off is unreasonable at all. It was stated that his barriers are outstandingly strong(Nanoha herself that she's completely unable to break those unless she goes completely full out on Yuuno) so that battle was strong evidence for that. Plus, don't get so ehated up, Yuuno only hold off Graf Eisen's basic form. I'm pretty sure he will have troubles against Rakketen Form and Eisen's other modes.
But i agree with you in that Chrono fighting Vita in the movie will make good sense, since the Lieze Twins are now absent and the main reason was busy in that battle during A's was because he was absent at the moment(only Yuuno, Nanoha, Fate and Arf were present during the first encounter with the Wolkenritter), and on the second Match Chrono was surprised by one of the Masked Men and his attention was splitted into investigationg the Wolks and these guys. Now Chrono probably will have more free time on his hands to unleash more of his awesomeness xD.
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2012-01-14, 15:24 | Link #452 |
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I've made peace with the idea that Yuuno might not appear in the movie AT ALL, and it doesn't bother me so much now. He's not an essential character to Hayate and the Wolkenritter's story, and the movie doesn't suddenly cause Yuuno to disappear from the rest of the franchise.
Still: We barely see Yuuno's fight against Vita, so we can't say that she didn't use other modes or any Cartridges. We didn't see Yuuno use any Chain Binds either, but that doesn't mean he didn't try that. He might have even used Shoot Barret, or the other tricks revealed in GoD. (Certainly, he seemed to be using Protection Smash.) Also, fan-subtitle confusion aside, Yuuno is an expert on Fields (Kekkai, often translated as "barrier") and defensive spells (including Shields and what the franchise actually calls Barriers, which are like another type of shield), among other things. So he's an expert at both setting up magical spell zones (kekkai) AND self-defense. He can even combine the two to create defensive bunker "force fields". And yes, Nanoha praises his defensive power just as Aki says, on the first Megami Sound Stage drama CD. Last edited by Sunder the Gold; 2012-01-14 at 15:50. |
2012-01-14, 15:39 | Link #453 |
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Considering how we see a Green and a Red lightning bolt clashing to each other repeatedly in the sky during that battle, it seems that Sunder is correct on this.
By the way, do you guys think that we're gonna get to see Signum's crowning moment of cockiness towards Fate where she smuggily tanks Photon Lancer without even flinching?
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2012-01-15, 00:02 | Link #456 |
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I was actually thinking about how long it took for the Photon Lancer shots to reach Signum.
Although, come to think of it, Signum wouldn't be so unprofessional as to let the surprise go to waste. If she was counting on those shots to splash harmless off of her and for Fate not to realize that, Signum should have been moving forward to attack and take advantage of her momentary shock. |
2012-01-15, 00:30 | Link #458 | |
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Rather than AMF or Eclipse effects, it would have been nice for our heroes to face something like the Nightmare Factory from the Battle Fantasia megacrossover. Hit our heroes where they're weakest without actually taking away the power that makes them magical girls. Also puts the emphasis and screentime on character development rather than training episodes. This would have been a good enemy to follow after the Book of Darkness incident, and would have been a much more appropriate time for Fate to have her Lotus Eater Dream. |
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2012-01-15, 02:00 | Link #459 |
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What bothers me about the training episodes is that in this franchise victories are achieved by new weapons instead of new techniques 9 times out of 10. Having upgrades is always cool and all but i would like to see an important achievement being accomplished by the fruit of our heroes's effort rather than a shinny new toy/upgrade.
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2012-01-15, 03:39 | Link #460 |
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Nanoha's victories against Fate were entirely about new skills.
However, while we got to see that she had definitely been working to improve herself after her defeats, the original season never "wasted" time showing us the training. Likewise Arf's improvements under Yuuno's teaching. |
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