2012-03-25, 05:22 | Link #181 | |
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There is only one point to remember about WN - it's apparently a recurring event. So in all technicality (and a fair bit of Murphy's law applied )... Kyuubey always has something to hope for. It's not like he'll be leaving the planet anytime soon, anyway.
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It is a big deal. The anime strongly implies that if WN is defeated without Madoka becoming a Puella Magi then Madoka is likely to never become a Puella Magi. Quote:
Witches are fallen magical girls. Kyubey has no direct control over them. If he did, Mami never would have died (that hindered Kyubey's aims much more than it helped them). So Kyubey can't "create chains of events". He can try to have events unfold in a way that is beneficial to him, but he can't make something out of nothing. He doesn't seem to have any army or powerful subordinates at his command. He can merely make the most of the cards that are dealt him. And he typically does that very well, to his credit. But we shouldn't confuse him for some Evil Overlord type that has seemingly limitless resources at his command. Spoiler for Lengthy replies to AuraTwilight. Put in Spoiler Space to save space:
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So I'm inclined to think that WN shows up, at most, once every fifty years. Any more often than that, and I think that the world would have caught on by now (since WN is viewable to the naked eye outside of a Witch's Barrier).
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2012-03-25, 07:16 | Link #183 | |
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Now what I'm saying is all of that is impossible with the anime ending, heck, Homura probably even lost her ability to reset for all I know. Think of it this way: the tea-party ending is more like replacing all the corrupt government officials with honest ones, while the anime ending throws away the entire system making it impossible for corrupt officials to even exist in the first place.
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2012-03-25, 07:28 | Link #184 | |
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How I perceive the Tea Party ending is "Homura's best possible ending".
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2012-03-25, 09:36 | Link #185 | |||
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So "Tea Party" is, like Triple_R said, the outcome Homura was aiming for. Naturally it's in her route. But that would leave the system intact, and it's pretty much the system Madoka was protesting against by the end of the anime. Even though without WN and similar threats she'd have more time to think and hesitate, her not contracting for the sake of changing the system may be far from definite. Thanks, guys, it's your discussion that led me to these thoughts. As to canon... There's no problem with any ending in the game since it's a whole lot of "what if"s and is meant to be like that. Arguing is pointless, since Madoka's wish erased witches in every timeline, making all the game routes into pure theory. In the end, there is one canonical world where Madoka is less than a ghost and magical girls hunt demons. However, we do have an official confirmation that all but one route were possible alternate outcomes in terms of the show's logic. Although to conclude again, episode 11 is likely a point of no return. Or more like episode 9 if we dig deeper - see my thoughts on Homura's chances of soloing WN, and even in the case of victory, we need to assume she had a huge stock of grief seeds, for we all remember in what state she finished the battle in TL3 even with Madoka's help. Quote:
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2012-03-25, 10:22 | Link #186 |
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just found something interesting, Walpurgis does have a grief seed, when playing around with the psp's game file, i found the sprite of Walpurgis's grief seed in archive.cpk\Scene_Griefseed\gs.pac\GRIEF_GS_ICON_W ALP.GIM, here is it
other grief seed here if anyone interested Kyoko Mami Sayaka Albertine Charlotte Elly (Kirsten) Elsa Maria Gertrud Gisela Izabel Patricia look like Kriemhild Gretchen is the only one who don't have a grief seed design yet.
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2012-03-25, 14:23 | Link #190 | |
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Also, cool, Walpurgis actually HAS a goddamn Grief Seed. I've been suspectign for a while that she might not have one. The rest I'm not responding to because you're being repetitive and contrarian.
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2012-03-25, 15:26 | Link #191 |
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^ actually, I don't feel like underestimating the importance of Madoka's wish changing the fate of others. She doesn't undo the system because first, God knows how it would affect the history (remember Ume-sensei's yonkoma on the matter ), and second, she respects the wishes all magical girls put their lives on the line for. And sparing the indignity doesn't quite describe the opposite: in addition to losing every trace of conscience and humanity and becoming a living web of insanity and despair, a witch can potentially take all the good things the puella magi did and throw them out the window by causing as much grief and demise as the girl once averted. She can even ruin the wish itself in worse cases. Imagine Octavia were left alone; will you guarantee that Kamijou would never be among those falling prey to her someday? There's no sense in saving the day from Godzilla if you become one and ruin the city yourself (figurative as the example is, that's pretty much what the timeline from Madoka's dream was about). Puellae magi give up a lot in exchange for their wish, but with the new system, they can at least live their lives with a meaning.
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This is an interpretation of Episode 12 that I've always been fond of, but I never knew it was confirmed. Where was it confirmed? I'd genuinely like to read/see that.
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Apparently I can't find her name in the wiki either, must really be a ninja.
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2012-03-25, 23:25 | Link #197 | |
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the reason why Homura can't reverse time and become a witch is the hourglass in her shield was broken and the sand spilled out, making any further time loops impossible.
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Too me that doesn't really make any sense unless I'm missing something, I don't know. "Shrugs shoulders"
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