2012-04-18, 05:10 | Link #302 |
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Join Date: Nov 2003
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I had the impression that in the original SS, things were set in caste
if you are a bronze, that you are a bronze for all your life and some of the gold saints were truly monsters that attained 7th sense when they were only 6 years old IIRC, the cloth isn't really THAT important. What matters more is the mastery of cosmo use, which is why some bronze saints can put up a fight against gold saints. But if I were to guess about powerup in Omega, it's probably similar to how Athena's blood turned those bronze cloth into uber god cloth versions
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2012-04-18, 05:26 | Link #303 | |
seiyuu maniac
Join Date: Aug 2006
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The question lies with how one becomes silver, I guess it might actually be possible for someone really strong to skip becoming bronze and go straight to silver, and then again according to their birth dates they can then be promoted to the respective gold constellation if the position is vacant (or perhaps you can even fight for it? it's not like ancient greek culture don't promote duelling either). But whether a bronze can go silver is a big question mark.
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2012-04-18, 05:42 | Link #304 |
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I thought that your theory about three constellations per-person was neat, Houko. Still, in the first series, wasn’t our 10 bronze saints fought each other for the Sagitarius Gold Cloth? They can’t be all under Sagitarius. So, if the wearer of the cloth is predetermined by their constellation like that, there’s no point for those bronze saints to fight each other, right? They can just pick which one of them are born under Sagitarius and if there’s more than one, they can fight it out (which didn’t happen in the original SS).
I always think that the process of how a saint obtain their cloths is a random thing. A prodigy saint can directly obtain a gold cloth like Virgo Shaka. Seiya became Sagitarius after being Pegasus without ranking-up to Silver first. Shaina directly become Ophiucus (Silver) after her early training. So yeah, I don’t think Kurumada thought much about it. He just wrote it as it is which kinda piss me off. Do you know why we rarely meet a bronze saint who got promoted to silver? That's coz silver sucks (so far) . Those silvers are even more lame in Lost Canvas.
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2012-04-18, 07:33 | Link #307 | |
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Join Date: Jun 2007
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I've always assumed whatever cloth you can get is decided by birth, so silvers become silver right away. It's impossible to know for sure since it was never addressed though; not even in the databooks, I think. Hopefully, Omega will provide some good explanations.
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We can't forget the legendary Sagitta Ptolemy either: the man nearly killed a goddess all by himself
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2012-04-18, 11:53 | Link #308 |
Black Steel Knight
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Indonesia
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How about a large number of Silvers who killed off-page by Bennu Kagaho? Crow was killed by... I don’t know (it’s not that clear what killed him). Another large number of Silvers also ran with their tails between their legs after their asses were handed to them by a cloth-less Defteros. Even though the characters who owned those Silvers are very powerful, the way Lost Canvas depicted them made them look like real losers.
Yes, there are exceptions like Altair Hakurei and Crane Yuzuriha. They are truly badass characters.
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2012-04-20, 11:38 | Link #312 |
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In Kurumada's manga, the Saints are born under a constellation. Though if you are Bronze or Silver you can get promoted to Gold.
Suikyo became a Silver Saint directly. And there has been no saying that you can get promoted from Bronze to Silver. |
2012-04-21, 22:13 | Link #314 |
seiyuu maniac
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Episode 4 goes into the new elemental nature of the cosmo, it's very RPG-ish where fundamentally fire > wind > thunder > earth > water > fire in full circle and light and darkness is outside of the circle, except of course if the wielder has greater cosmo they can overcome the fundamental elemental weakness.
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2012-04-21, 22:36 | Link #315 | |
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I seriously hope Kouga gets his first win.
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2012-04-22, 00:14 | Link #318 | |
seiyuu maniac
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Now Ryuho on the other hand is thoroughly trained (and highly motivated to become strong from early on) and has control of both his cosmo and his elemental power, his ability to read the enemy's flow of cosmo is also a huge advantage, if not for his frail body he is supposed to be the current strongest bronze saint. Even here Ryuho is really going easy on Kouga because what he really wanted to do was to guide Kouga to understand his own cosmo/elemental power, the writers will have to pull some serious thing out of the rear for current Kouga to beat Ryuho.
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2012-04-22, 01:18 | Link #319 |
Black Steel Knight
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So, Shiryu lost all five senses. I can't even begin to imagine how it feels . I wonder, can Shiryu "satisfy" Shunrei with his current condition ? If not, then poor Shunrei .
Btw, I have a question, guys. Is Yuna’s Aquila is the same as Marin’s Eagle constellation-wise? If it’s different, then what’s the differences? Oh, speaking of Eagle Marin, I never thought that Marin’s cloth can actually form a constellation (since it’s so minimal) until I saw this: Spoiler for Eagle:
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2012-04-22, 02:28 | Link #320 | |
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Heck, Seiya beating Shiryu at the beginning of the original series kind of didn't feel right to me either, and Seiya was way readier than Kouga is right now. |
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