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germanturkey · 2009-06-12, 11:19

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Originally Posted by justinstrife

Lost Welkin on the supply base mission in chapter 5 late last night. I also lost 3 of my 4 scouts by the time I even entered the base from the north group. Seeing that invincible tank there didn't do anything to help my ego.

Since I haven't been saving in the missions, I'm back to re-doing the mission and figuring out a more effective way.

thats what we all do.. haha.

so do you guys recommend tmag over firepower? with 5 extra shots, it offsets the one or two extra damage the firepower upgrades give you.

spawnofthejudge · 2009-06-12, 11:25

I shall preference with the fact that I'm a complete dork.

For rifles, I went down two paths, one for the Scouts (Accuracy) and Engineers (Special Effect - I was rarely shooting with them anyway, so I wanted to give myself the option to give a status effect).

Snipers got accuracy. Not really a hard choice.

For Machine Guns, I took Number of Shots (This is the far right option, IIRC). I bothered to multiply out the number of shots by the VS PERSON strength, and going on the number of shots path was, nine times out of ten, the better option.

For Lancers, I kept the Tank lances all the way. I bought a few mortars, but never used them.

And for Flamethrowers, Power.

Willen · 2009-06-12, 13:20

If I had the choice, I always went for accuracy since I almost always go for the head shot and I figured the tighter the circle, the more bullets will hit, equals more damage on average.

For machineguns, to offset the poor accuracy I went for damage. Assuming you could get close enough to put the muzzle practically on the enemy, then accuracy is a non-factor. But I found that generally, if I can hit with all or most of the shots of the more damaging MGs, I'd still comfortably kill most of the enemies I faced with bullets to spare by doing more damage per hit. Especially if I went for headshots. The other times where higher damage was better were when I faced enemies behind sandbags (although a grenade usually fixes that), or if they were in a base (with the resultant defense boost). I should go and do some controlled in-game tests.

Ultimately, using royal weapons gives you the best of both worlds - better accuracy and higher damage (although you don't get the bigger clip with the MG).

Sniper rifles, like practically everyone else, accuracy since you should only need one headshot to take out a non-crouching enemy (with a few exceptions).

Lancers, anti-tank. I never used the mortar lance, but many people in the latter part gave one to Largo since he gets overshadowed in the anti-tank role after a few of the other lancers get their final potentials.

Flamethrowers, I also went for damage.

I never used the effect-type weapons since they felt gimmicky, and my goal was to kill the target in one turn (or one action), so ultimately, the effect would be wasted.

spawnofthejudge · 2009-06-12, 14:00

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Originally Posted by Willen

Ultimately, using royal weapons gives you the best of both worlds - better accuracy and higher damage (although you don't get the bigger clip with the MG).

This, oh goodness, this. If you don't know what Royal Weapons are... you will. And you will love them.

germanturkey · 2009-06-12, 15:49

actually, royal weapons really aren't that much of a step up from upgraded weapons. i'm aware that you get better royal weapons as you progress through the game, but i would prefer a weapon that aims better than one that does maybe 10 damage more.

Barbobot · 2009-06-12, 15:58

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Originally Posted by germanturkey

actually, royal weapons really aren't that much of a step up from upgraded weapons. i'm aware that you get better royal weapons as you progress through the game, but i would prefer a weapon that aims better than one that does maybe 10 damage more.

Luckily then the top tier royal weapons have the best accuracy for all weapons.

germanturkey · 2009-06-12, 16:05

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Originally Posted by Barbobot

Luckily then the top tier royal weapons have the best accuracy for all weapons.

really? guess i haven't gotten that far then.

kalbron · 2009-06-12, 17:56

Best of all, you can get a B accuracy lance! A B accuracy lance! Woo!

jwai · 2009-06-12, 18:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by justinstrife

Lost Welkin on the supply base mission in chapter 5 late last night. I also lost 3 of my 4 scouts by the time I even entered the base from the north group. Seeing that invincible tank there didn't do anything to help my ego.

Since I haven't been saving in the missions, I'm back to re-doing the mission and figuring out a more effective way.

Which side of the last base did you try to enter from? Try the northern gate.

Also, the way I took on Lupus was to sneak a lancer up through that gate and put a lance through the radiator. Very risky, but potentially solves the problem in one go without risking Edelweiss.

justinstrife · 2009-06-12, 20:03

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Originally Posted by jwai

Which side of the last base did you try to enter from? Try the northern gate.

Also, the way I took on Lupus was to sneak a lancer up through that gate and put a lance through the radiator. Very risky, but potentially solves the problem in one go without risking Edelweiss.

I first entered from the north with Alicia and Cherry then Alicia got taken out and Cherry had to withdraw as things got hectic. I was pushing forward with Welkin(Dallas right behind him for repairs), and Marina for sniping duty but the anti-tank cannon and the tank took care of Welkin a little while later.

The last mission where you had to capture the base before reinforcements arrived for the bridge, I basically finished on turn 10 right on the money.

cloner4000 · 2009-06-12, 20:33

That mission with Jeager's tank can be a pain..I think you just have to get used to it. remember that presssing R2,L2 allow you be peak around the corner so you don't get ambushed.

Sniper rifle definitely go accuracy. Rifle you can go for accuracy now, but you'll want to upgrade into more power later on as enemy are more often than not in hiding.

You can skip the status effect though..it's not really useful.

justinstrife · 2009-06-12, 21:35

When did everyone get Edy? I see in a video on youtube someone had her already in chapter 5, and I'm wondering if I missed something?

spawnofthejudge · 2009-06-12, 21:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by justinstrife

When did everyone get Edy? I see in a video on youtube someone had her already in chapter 5, and I'm wondering if I missed something?

Characters are added to your available roster in random order.
How unlucky!

justinstrife · 2009-06-12, 22:32

Damn lost Alicia again on enemy's turn 4. except for that glaring part, I'm doing better taking the small camps and moving forward...

Third time so far and just shaking my head.

germanturkey · 2009-06-12, 23:48

don't feel bad justin. it took me up until after that mission to realize that i could repair the tank.. lol. i still managed to do quite well too, with that obvious handicap.

so i just saw

Spoiler:

then the battle after that. wtf. set me up for failure more.

justinstrife · 2009-06-13, 03:23

Just beat the first desert mission and now have to fight the duel with Maximilian and company. Nice to see he recognized Welkin's name and exploits.

I had to cheat to beat the supply mission it was just too difficult for my mediocre abilities. Watched someone do it for the A-ranking on youtube...

I learned quite a bit watching his different tactics. I can't do A-rankings on my own, but I think I can advance a little further now thanks to those instructions.

Shiroth · 2009-06-13, 03:31

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Originally Posted by germanturkey

then the battle after that. wtf. set me up for failure more.

There is actually a very simple route for completing this mission that i worked out on my first place. I'll let you know in a spoiler tag if you want.

cloner4000 · 2009-06-13, 06:33

I think for the supply mission

Spoiler for games:

grylsyjaeger · 2009-06-13, 08:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by spawnofthejudge

This, oh goodness, this. If you don't know what Royal Weapons are... you will. And you will love them.

And the only thing better than Royal Weapons are Enemy Weapons;

ZM Kar 5(g) & ZM MP 5(g) /overjoy

kalbron · 2009-06-13, 08:20

Until you play through the game once and get the final armour + hp upgrades for the Edelweiss, it's pretty much essential that you have an engie stuck in its radiator.

Best of all, doing this allows for mortar spam since the engie will resupply the tank!

2009-06-12, 11:25	Link #482
spawnofthejudge Explodes when thrown IT Support Join Date: Jan 2009 Age: 37	I shall preference with the fact that I'm a complete dork. For rifles, I went down two paths, one for the Scouts (Accuracy) and Engineers (Special Effect - I was rarely shooting with them anyway, so I wanted to give myself the option to give a status effect). Snipers got accuracy. Not really a hard choice. For Machine Guns, I took Number of Shots (This is the far right option, IIRC). I bothered to multiply out the number of shots by the VS PERSON strength, and going on the number of shots path was, nine times out of ten, the better option. For Lancers, I kept the Tank lances all the way. I bought a few mortars, but never used them. And for Flamethrowers, Power. __________________

2009-06-12, 21:35	Link #492
justinstrife Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Galt's Gulch Age: 44	When did everyone get Edy? I see in a video on youtube someone had her already in chapter 5, and I'm wondering if I missed something? __________________

2009-06-12, 23:48	Link #495
germanturkey Udon-YAAAAAAAA Join Date: Jan 2008 Age: 35	don't feel bad justin. it took me up until after that mission to realize that i could repair the tank.. lol. i still managed to do quite well too, with that obvious handicap. so i just saw Spoiler: Alicia kick Salvaria's ass... epic. then the battle after that. wtf. set me up for failure more. Last edited by germanturkey; 2009-06-13 at 02:04.

2009-06-13, 06:33	Link #498
cloner4000 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009	I think for the supply mission Spoiler for games: I drove welkin up and mortar the camp and run my scouts around the tents on the side to the camp without exposing myself too much Also try defense up order. You'll be amazed with the difference

2009-06-12, 13:20	Link #483
Willen Aoba Tsukishima Join Date: May 2007	If I had the choice, I always went for accuracy since I almost always go for the head shot and I figured the tighter the circle, the more bullets will hit, equals more damage on average. For machineguns, to offset the poor accuracy I went for damage. Assuming you could get close enough to put the muzzle practically on the enemy, then accuracy is a non-factor. But I found that generally, if I can hit with all or most of the shots of the more damaging MGs, I'd still comfortably kill most of the enemies I faced with bullets to spare by doing more damage per hit. Especially if I went for headshots. The other times where higher damage was better were when I faced enemies behind sandbags (although a grenade usually fixes that), or if they were in a base (with the resultant defense boost). I should go and do some controlled in-game tests. Ultimately, using royal weapons gives you the best of both worlds - better accuracy and higher damage (although you don't get the bigger clip with the MG). Sniper rifles, like practically everyone else, accuracy since you should only need one headshot to take out a non-crouching enemy (with a few exceptions). Lancers, anti-tank. I never used the mortar lance, but many people in the latter part gave one to Largo since he gets overshadowed in the anti-tank role after a few of the other lancers get their final potentials. Flamethrowers, I also went for damage. I never used the effect-type weapons since they felt gimmicky, and my goal was to kill the target in one turn (or one action), so ultimately, the effect would be wasted.

2009-06-12, 15:49	Link #485
germanturkey Udon-YAAAAAAAA Join Date: Jan 2008 Age: 35	actually, royal weapons really aren't that much of a step up from upgraded weapons. i'm aware that you get better royal weapons as you progress through the game, but i would prefer a weapon that aims better than one that does maybe 10 damage more.

2009-06-12, 17:56	Link #488
kalbron Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006	Best of all, you can get a B accuracy lance! A B accuracy lance! Woo!

2009-06-12, 20:33	Link #491
cloner4000 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009	That mission with Jeager's tank can be a pain..I think you just have to get used to it. remember that presssing R2,L2 allow you be peak around the corner so you don't get ambushed. Sniper rifle definitely go accuracy. Rifle you can go for accuracy now, but you'll want to upgrade into more power later on as enemy are more often than not in hiding. You can skip the status effect though..it's not really useful.

2009-06-12, 22:32	Link #494
justinstrife Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Galt's Gulch Age: 44	Damn lost Alicia again on enemy's turn 4. except for that glaring part, I'm doing better taking the small camps and moving forward... Third time so far and just shaking my head.

2009-06-13, 03:23	Link #496
justinstrife Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Galt's Gulch Age: 44	Just beat the first desert mission and now have to fight the duel with Maximilian and company. Nice to see he recognized Welkin's name and exploits. I had to cheat to beat the supply mission it was just too difficult for my mediocre abilities. Watched someone do it for the A-ranking on youtube... I learned quite a bit watching his different tactics. I can't do A-rankings on my own, but I think I can advance a little further now thanks to those instructions.

2009-06-13, 08:20	Link #500
kalbron Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006	Until you play through the game once and get the final armour + hp upgrades for the Edelweiss, it's pretty much essential that you have an engie stuck in its radiator. Best of all, doing this allows for mortar spam since the engie will resupply the tank!