2012-07-13, 08:37 | Link #1041 |
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Again, I'd argue that Hagani doesn't necessarily have to be chained to conventions. And one can run a romance without a romantic challenger.
Explain what you mean by "basic storytelling"? Basic Storytelling of the Harem genre, where the confession is either the end of the story, or a rejection takes place? It's a phenomena very exclusive to anime in the world of fiction, and animes especially produced in the last ten years. Clannad Afterstory is one example of a Romance that continued 24 episodes beyond confession. There's an old anime, one of the first in the romance genre I've watched, called Itazrura no Kiss that spent more than half it's plot beyond the confirmation of couplings. "Basic storytelling", to borrow Ajimu's words from Medaka Box is IMO is a cliche plague borrowed from "Shitty Love Comedies". |
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I like the message of this story, because it's just motivates you to "go out", "do something", "make friends", "don't stay alone".
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So maybe he was a loner and he found a person that is so perfect for him that he now lives a fulfilled life. Well, maybe we will see a love confession from Kodaka later and the author expresses his feelings in humble and honest words that are directed to his own wife. That would be very romantic. He is using Haganai to express his own feelings and the sensation to have friends after such a long time of being a social outcast. And this makes this novel very unique. Quote:
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2012-07-13, 08:47 | Link #1043 | |
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Just about every comedy LN written in first person has the main character as the narrator and the tsukkomi, whilst the other casts to provide the boke moments. As a result you won't get very distinctive personalities for the main. The role's already set. |
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2012-07-13, 10:43 | Link #1047 |
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I wouldn't mind Kate being the end girl. She's both Sena aka wannabe sis-con and Yozora aka tsundere all in one package...
As far as those betting it all that the Sena route has been in set in stone even though this has all been a 'prologue'. Stay away from Vegas because you'll end up having to sell your hair at a wig shop... |
2012-07-13, 11:00 | Link #1048 |
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Don't you think the author intends to make a good ending for every girl?
So Volume 8 = Rika route (best friend) Volume 9 = Sena route (romantic route, girl friend) Volume 10 = Yukimura (personal maid) Volume 11 = Yozora (friend) Every volume has one girl as the main protagonist and at the end they have a new status for Kodaka and are somehow lucky/fulfilled/happy. Last edited by mironicus; 2012-07-13 at 11:27. |
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Although to be honest, I'm also hoping Sena ends up with Kodaka. Mostly because she can slap sense into kodaka apparently, as seen when he's talking a self-deprecating manner about how no one would be interested in a boring person like her and she goes "Let's make it clear, no one that I; Sena, would be interested in could possibly be a boring person". He kinda needs someone who can kick him in the ass when he's doing his self-deprecation. Quote:
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All those things related to the past doesn't really matter in this story. Relying on them just fails anyway. "We were friends ten years ago, so he belongs to me. Now I just have to wait that he falls in love for me. *Wait, Wait, Wait, Wait* I am waiting! Stupid Kodaka, just tell me already that you love me! How long should I wait for you? Why don't you do anything at all? I am your childhood friend after all! I made this setting for you, why don't you confess to me? Argh! This stupid Meat is always talking to him about games and other things! Why don't he talk to me? Meat always gets his attention! Eat my fly swatter! Get away from him, you cow! Shoo! Shoo!" Well, as in real life, there are no cards to rely on and Sena does not need any cards because she just talks to him casually from the beginning. A natural development takes place in the "present", they stay in contact and start to trust each other... while Yozora gets confused why he never approaches her and blames Sena for always getting his attention. And Kodaka "might" choose a girl he actually gotten to know in the present and not one who waits to be approached because she knew him ten years ago. Think of Haganai as a kind of "manual" for natural loners: "How to approach others". Quote:
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2012-07-13, 19:15 | Link #1052 | |
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All of the different heroines in the story are designed to complement Kodaka in some way, but the final romantic partner doesn't usually have much to do with an opinion of who is most compatible. Shippers everywhere always believe their chosen heroine is the best match, for whatever reason.
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2012-07-14, 03:20 | Link #1053 |
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^Yes, that in my opinion is the nature of light novels. We're not talking about an epic novel like Tolkien here, where the author has a goal in mind and will write his story until and only up to the point he reaches that goal. We're talking about a light novel series that is currently quite popular but could easily be pulled from the shelves if otaku trends shift unfavourably. Many times, the end girl is simply the one that's in the right position at the right time in terms of her relationship making the most sense at the point when the author is instructed by the editor/publishers to finish up the series due to waning demand.
@micronicus: This is why I said that I would agree with your posts if we're talking about a deep psychological novel here. In the case of Haganai, I don't think we can expect that kind of standard from the author. I could be wrong, and would in fact be happy to be wrong if the author ends up surprising me, but the impact that commercial considerations have on the plot is a factor that in my opinion should not be ignored. Sure, it is shallow and I agree that it's usually not the best way to write, but that is what I've observed in this genre in general. The only exception I've read is ToraDora, but a novel like that where the author closes off the story at the point she intended all along without trying to milk the series with more extensions appears to be the exception rather than the rule. Last edited by frivolity; 2012-07-14 at 03:40. |
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IMO think there is more to Yozoras problem's them just the Kodoka thing . IMO I think something happen before she meet Kodoka and after Kodoka left . For one reason or another I get this feeling. But then Again I can be wrong.
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2012-07-15, 08:47 | Link #1055 |
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Well, the important point for me in Haganai is the perspective from a loner that was integrated within the characters. And this makes this novel standing out amongst the other ones - the typical harem series. The author knows what he writes about (he is/was a loner and Haganai is maybe a cathartic exercise for him).
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2012-07-15, 14:09 | Link #1058 |
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The arduous task ahead for Kodaka is to sort through those items presented before him on said "silver tray."
And I would like to point out that Yozora is the elephant in the room who's relationship to Kodaka needs to be dealt with before the "after story" happens (no matter how much you dismiss it). |
2012-07-15, 15:21 | Link #1059 |
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Why should he wait for Yozora to recover from her past friendship memories? Yozora's active part of the story seems to be already concluded, so he don't have to deal with her anyway. He is free and Rika is his best friend now. Some time ago I thought that she could have a chance to recover her friendship with him but of course, Kodaka can't consider someone as a friend he can't trust.
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