Mobile Suit Gundam 00 - Episode 18 Discussion / Poll

[Jeffry2009]

Guys, did you saw what Nena did to Louise's Family in Spain including her!? I Told You guys before that NEVER EVER TRUST THOSE THRONES!! THEY'RE EVIL!!!

[k//eternal]

Originally Posted by jafri

Guys, did you saw what Nena did to Louise's Family in Spain including her!? I Told You guys before that NEVER EVER TRUST THOSE THRONES!! THEY'RE EVIL!!!

You'd have to be pretty blind to watch the ep and miss it.

[tarachi]

Just re-watched the subbed version, the Gundams are great, the pilots aren't. (which I find a good mix. Making the Gundam cool and powerful but making the pilots not that great or only specialized.)

Saji will probably help the Lady reporter (forgot the name) to find the secrets of the gundams. And he may also find out that Setsuna is a Meister.

[Izayuukan]

Originally Posted by mechalord

They needed to check Vader or hack it.
Besides, they didn't exactly know the mindset of the meisters. They may think the meisters are like them and would take no offense to their actions. Also, they follow orders from Ragnal (or Ragnas) who may have given them strict instruction to SAVE THEM! Also. . . they had to impress the observers and gain their trust! Don't forget that Alejandro had to ask for the observers blessing to have them join CB.
There is no plot hole there.

It seems to make sense, I guess. It would seem that when Nena said "I'll just look around the ship", what she really wanted to do was hack Veda (i.e. a pre-planned hacking instead of of a whim like I had previously thought). This would confirm her role as the EW/strategic specialist, I guess.

Still, it seems risky. Once they had stolen the vital data (or removed the vital data they didn't want CB to see), they should have lured CB into a trap. They could have done this by planting false information inside Veda, which would then order a bogus mission conveniently requiring all four Meisters. Once the "mission" is over, and they're heading to the rendezvous point, Eins snipers Kyrios out of the blue, taking out their fastest unit. Then, Zwei launches his Fangs at Lockon, who is bad at close range, while engaging Setsuna with his Buster Sword. Drei helps out Zwei, shooting Dynames (busy dancing with Fangs) from behind to disable it. All the while Eins keeps Virtue honest by snipering it, forcing Virtue to Shield itself (so it is unable to attack).
And so on and so on, till the Thrones have three Solar Furnaces.

My point is, this is not what the Thrones did. They strive to ruin CBs good name, and I am curious as to why the Observers do not chastise them.

And all the while they are pissing CB off, they leave the only machines capable of stopping them alone (unless you count that 46-second piece of art that's called Graham Pwns Eins).

Oh, and by the way, those four Gundams belong to CB, the same organisation that they were pissing off.

No-one ever said that bad guys had to be clever, but if Alejandro or Ribbons is really behind it all, I would have expected MUCH better from them. At the moment, it seems like there is no sane plan behind the Thrones' actions. If the production staff manages to get it all to make sense, then I cannot WAIT.

[Marina Ismail]

Originally Posted by Kisuke06

As of this episode I hate Nena.

I was going to give her a chance since I usually like anime girls that has red hair, their personality always seems to be charming to me (kinda how I like Asuka from NGE's personality) and I don't mean charming, charming haha. Nena however..... is annoying as hell.... I guess last ep irritated me haha~

[Divinegundam]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

Yes, Katagi customized it even more, despite his injuries. The overflag can overpower a gundam in term of speed (well, maybe it will be different with Kyrios in flight form, but heh)

Well... It is kinda a "post poned" fight. Johann was ironically too prudent and fled, while Graham was under the secondary effect of such speed.
It isn't a proper result for a battle, nor a draw.

If we speculate how the fight would turn in the end (if none of them withdraw), I think Johann would have the upperhand, considering Graham has kinda a death flag with that secondary effect.

I don't think the overflag has greater speed. If that were the case Johann could not have countered Grahams attacks and would have been shot down.

Originally Posted by LoweGear

1. Nope, that's the same Union Flag OverFlag Custom that Graham's been piloting since episode 15. He just pushed himself harder and beyond the limit this time.

2. While technically Graham didn't win, he did OWN the Throne Eins in much AWESOMENESS and show them who's boss. Unfortunately, he couldn't pursue the escaping Throne Eins because of his bad shape after the battle.

1. I think Graham's vomitting of blood was also do to the modified G suit he recieved. The suit keeps blood in the upper torso to keep the pilot consious. I think the suit had kept so much blood in the upper torso that it broke a blood vessel/s and cause him to vomit blood.

2. Yup the pilot was the limiting factors. However i'm curious to see what the Gundams use to limit the G's on the pilot when in earths atmosphere.




Did anyone else find it odd that the arm of the Gundam exploded when it was severed. I think it's some type of self destruct device on any essential part of the Gundams should they be sperated from the body.

[Shiryuu]

Setsuna looked pretty badass when he decided to attack the Thrones. Too bad it looks like Lockon will end up saving him. :/

And Graham, he should've just did that to begin with. At least he got one of their sabers.

[Duo Maxwell]

Originally Posted by Shiryuu

And Graham, he should've just did that to begin with. At least he got one of their sabers.

Don't forget the Ein's arm. Even though it has exploded, they still can retrieve those pieces to find out the material used to build a Gundam (or at least, the Throne, since I'm not sure the Gundam and those Throne are same concept)

[Shiryuu]

Originally Posted by Duo Maxwell

Don't forget the Ein's arm. Even though it has exploded, they still can retrieve those pieces to find out the material used to build a Gundam (or at least, the Throne, since I'm not sure the Gundam and those Throne are same concept)

They could, but I doubt it would matter. The metal can't be that special if it can explode so easily. Doesn't look like it's filled with bombs at every joint either, since then it wouldn't be able to move.

[Dean_the_Young]

Originally Posted by Duo Maxwell

Don't forget the Ein's arm. Even though it has exploded, they still can retrieve those pieces to find out the material used to build a Gundam (or at least, the Throne, since I'm not sure the Gundam and those Throne are same concept)

it was pretty much explicitly stated that the only difference between the Thrones and the Meisters' gundams was the lack of a true GN drive, which is the ONLY part of the Gundam not stored in Veda. The only operational difference is that the Thrones have a "limited" operating time, but considering how they go overkill in every battle and still travel long distances, that could be anywhere from a day to a week for all we know.

[Sinestra]

Originally Posted by Tendou88

it seems like the throne pilots have been living in space for their whole life or neena is just psycho and look down on humanity

Living in space is not an excuse for what she did,just because you live in space doesnt mean you dont know right from wrong . If anything she is a spoiled brat and yes as you put Psycho. Read her dialog right before she fires the first blast that should tell you all you need to know. Basically she was jealous because others were having fun while she had to work and decided to take out her frustrations on them. That little bitch can rot in the 9th layer of hell, when she dies i will be breaking out my Cuban cigars and have a drink and a party to toast her demise.

[Slayerx]

Originally Posted by Duo Maxwell

Don't forget the Ein's arm. Even though it has exploded, they still can retrieve those pieces to find out the material used to build a Gundam (or at least, the Throne, since I'm not sure the Gundam and those Throne are same concept)

Actually, even better than the arm, Graham stole the beam saber... there's a good chance that the beam saber is made of the same material as the gundam AND they can reverse engineer it and figure out how to make their own... unlike current beam sabers, the beams saber's that the gundams use are strong enough to cut other gundams (hence why Graham threw his away and used Ein's)... heh, perhaps the knowledge they gain from the saber could be good enough to develop other weapons... if the writers go down that road, that beam saber could be the very beginning of developing anti-gundam weapons... Won't be surprised if Graham is duel wielding the GN beam sabers next time...

Originally Posted by Klashikari

Yes, Katagi customized it even more, despite his injuries. The overflag can overpower a gundam in term of speed (well, maybe it will be different with Kyrios in flight form, but heh)

Actually, i don't think Katagi customized it furthar, he was just giving it some maintenance, a tune up... Graham's performance in the battle is more about how far he pushed his flag. Graham is a very good pilot and knows how to fight hard but at the same time put restraints on himself so that he doesn't hurt himself; this allows him to fight at his best for a longer period of time... it's kinda like how most other pilots don't attempt to transform during flight even though the flag is capable of doing so; they can't handle it, so it's not advisable to attempt it... In this battle however, because of what happened to Howard, he took off his restraints and pushed the flag as far as possible... in the end it resulted in being too much for his body to handle (hitting home that it was a good idea for him to hold back a bit)

Graham did get lucky in this battle though... i mean, for one, the thones tend to move together and this was one of the few times he mangae to find one that was alone... and Second, the thone didn't stick around to fight; had it Graham probably would not have stood much of a chance in his condition. his old way of fighting was not good enough and this new way does not allow him to fight long enough... If Graham is too REALLY start taking down the gundams, he's either gonna need to upgrade the flag more so he can use his old way of fighting, train his body so that it can handle those G's, or for Katagi to come up with some kind of device that can compensate and make it less hard on Graham's body.

[Dark Wing]

Yea...well after seeing this episode I don't know if I like Neena all that much anymore. I mean no normal person fires on a wedding just because they are bored and frustrated. Hopefully we get some background on the Trinity siblings as to why they are the why they are because having them evil for no good reason would be a total let down.

Also I have no idea how Louise and Saji are going to bounce back form this...

Now getting on to Graham...The man owns enough said.

Finally Setsuna Go! Charge into battle and prove that you not just another emo teen protagonist in a mecha series!

[grey_moon]

I don't think it is possible to train a body up to handle forces that make an experienced pilot cough blood. The gundams prbly have some form of hax like an inertia field or augmented bodies.

[Dark Wing]

Originally Posted by grey_moon

I don't think it is possible to train a body up to handle forces that make an experienced pilot cough blood. The gundams prbly have some form of hax like an inertia field or augmented bodies.

It got to be the suites. It's alway the suites...

[DJ_RockmanX]

Originally Posted by grey_moon

I don't think it is possible to train a body up to handle forces that make an experienced pilot cough blood. The gundams prbly have some form of hax like an inertia field or augmented bodies.

Originally Posted by Dark Wing

It got to be the suites. It's alway the suites...

It's the engineering of the Gundams' interior. I'm citing Wikipedia, but hopefully this sentence came from a higher authority:

Originally Posted by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Anno_Domini_mobile_units

The uniform cockpit used throughout the production line is situated beneath the generator cavity, with a hatch that opens under the chestplate. A flight suit custom-designed for the cockpit interfaces with on-board systems from a center-back socket that connects with a plug on the seat surface. To prevent hijack, iris or retinal scanning technology biometrically verifies pilot identity upon unit activation. Alternatively, the voice of the designated pilot can remotely activate the unit via wireless communication. Multiple support arms ergonomically cushion the seat from excessive shock.

[Slayerx]

Originally Posted by grey_moon

I don't think it is possible to train a body up to handle forces that make an experienced pilot cough blood. The gundams prbly have some form of hax like an inertia field or augmented bodies.

Ya, i wasn't so sure about that myself... but i don't know squat about g-force training and what astronauts go through to prepare for space and all that... and ofcourse, there's generally a limit to what any training can really do...

It's the engineering of the Gundams' interior. I'm citing Wikipedia, but hopefully this sentence came from a higher authority:

So ya, then it seems like Graham's flag is gonna need cockpit upgrade for him to take on the gundams while pushing himself and the flag to the limit...

[duckroll]

I think the scene in ep18 is kinda misunderstood. The Gundams in no way move faster than what Graham was doing. They have no hax. Graham in the Flag was moving MUCH faster than any Gundam, because he had to. The difference is that the Gundams are not faster, they're simply more -powerful-.

The power that the GN Drive provides allows the the mech itself to do things that a normal mobile suit cannot. When doing melee, it can simply respond faster and is less dependant on pure pilot skill, it also has more driving force behind each movement, creating more impact. The GN Beam Sabers and GN Rifles and Cannons have more energy charge in them, doing much more damage. And so on.

What Graham was doing, was simply moving faster than any suit or pilot is supposed to, to make up for that lack of power. At the extreme high speeds he was pushing the Flag, he was able to react faster than Johan, and the momentum of the Flag and two plasma swords was enough to dislodge the GN Beam Saber by force alone. He then grabbed the beam saber and cut off Eins' arm before it could even fire the rifle.

No, I don't believe that level of g-force can be trainable, in fact constant use of it would probably be fatal. There'll probably be more customization of the Flag in future to make it easier for Graham to do things like that, but ideally, a pilot should not have to push a vehicle so hard. It was a special moment to show how dedicated, potentially insane and motivated Graham was.

[kazemahou]

I never disliked Louise, because I thought it was nice to show the civilian life when the gundams are imposing their order.

Spoiler for Louise:

She does get crushed by a very large piece of wall, Even though an arm is drastic, I do believe her legs are possible.

If Graham is still alive then, which I assume he is then...

Spoiler for Union:

Union has got a piece of Gundam tech, right? The arm or the beam saber?

[sysce]

Lol... Didn't expect Neena to be that much of a psycho bitch... A Stella (GSD) like character but worst I guess. But then again Stella killed a whole city of people with Destroy Gundam... lol...

Haha.. Kinda expected something was going to happen with the annoying couple else I didn't see the point of all those annoying pointless coupling scenes. Thought they would Kill her but they maimed her instead... Kinda unexpected.. Oh well at least no lame dead naked girlfriend in space afterlife scene.. (eg. Kira with Fllay when she gets killed)...

Further annoying coupling scenes are unlikely... Do wonder what saji will do though.. Kill one of the Trinity's if he gets the chance ?

Now with biggest questions in my mind... With Gundam 00 slated to end at eps 26.. Are they going to get proper upgrades ??? It WON't be a proper gundam without UPGRADES !! Come-on Gundam Exia Freedom Striker or whatever lol !