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i dont think no matter how powerful your haki is it will never be able to disable a high-ranking fighter. Take Shanks when he entered Whitebeard's ship. It may not have fully been the extent of his abilities but only the weakest members of Whitebeard's crew was affected, and Shanks being a Yonkou..
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2008-08-10, 22:29 | Link #22 | |
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And the last thing is, that many people believing that what created the hole in heaven (tearing apart coud stuff) was not just the effect of Whitebeard+Shanks weapon clash but pure Shanks haki going up.Its pretty cool ability to have once you mastered it and worst of all : Shanks didnt wanted to mean it..I mean he defeated all those whitebeard pirates by accident.Unlike Rayleigh's targeting/mass haki energy bursts, he may been using it as an aura...or its just too powerful for him to stabilize it.
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2008-08-10, 22:38 | Link #23 |
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hmm????
Umm..no the tear in the sky was caused by the clash of the two yonkou as stated by Whitebeard's first division commander. Second, Shanks stated himself that he turned on his aura, because stepping into a enemy ship was dangerous. |
2008-08-10, 22:42 | Link #24 |
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Haki itself seems that it will be one of the main power-ups that atleast Luffy will recieve entering the New World to let him compete with the new and powerful adversaries that they're bound to confront.
At the same time it looks much more complex than just a simple power-up that let's someone create some sort of force without any actual physical involvement. It might be something that is already there without prior knowledge or is somehow awakened a certain way or for a certain purpose. Afterall we did see an agitated Shanks knowingly let his Haki out on Whitebeard's crew because it was an enemy ship. Another thing that comes to mind is that Haki is somehow connected to The Will Of D. I really have no basis for this except that the people we've seen it used so far have had a strong connection with a "D." Luffy being one himself. Whatever it is, I doubt that it's more the deciding factor in a fight than it is something that might have more story relation and tie-ins to do with the plot of One Piece. |
2008-08-11, 14:54 | Link #25 |
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I'm hoping that if (when) it turns out that Haki is used for battle, it would sorta work like Hamon from early Jojo's Bizarre Adventure... that is, when someone like Rayleigh or Shanks attacks a Logia opponent, they would send a "ripple" of Haki into the user's body, and the colliding energy would effectively cancel out a Logia's "invincibility", damaging them.
Hmm... maybe if Rayleigh fights Kizaru we may see more of Haki in action.... |
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2008-08-11, 15:34 | Link #27 | |
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2008-08-11, 16:44 | Link #28 | ||
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Regarding Jimbei and Arlong. I got the impression that Arlong didn't really like the thought of being a Marine dog - he wanted to be a pirate against the human world, a rebel for his race, not a human liking servant. So thats the reason why he left Jimbei when Jimbei became a Shichibukai. Quote:
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2008-08-11, 20:00 | Link #29 |
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In traditional Chinese culture there is a belief in something called Chi (or Qi), usually translated to energy flow, noteable the literal translation is "breath". I'm no expert but from what I can recall Chi is life force inside every living being, and if you train yourself to use it you can accomplish feat you couldn't do without it. Such as spear trust to the throat and survive, even breaking the spear, standing on one finger, lifting up your whole body etc. So roughly Chi is able to enhance you if you so use it.
Roronoa Zoro is known for his religious referrence, Asura for example which is a power-seeking deities, sometimes referred to as demons in Hinduism. Kaku noted that Zoro used his spirit to enhance himself and that Asura was a manifesting of his spirit. When Zoro fought Mr. 1 and he reached the brink of death, he said he was able to "hear the breath of all things", making him able to not being able to cut a leaf while he could cut steel if he choosed to. My theory is that Roronoa Zoro isn't using Haki, but rather his inner life force (his spirit); his Chi, when he is manifesting Asura. My impression of Haki is that you use a spirit rush that manifesting outside, on others, not on yourself. Of course we have not seen much of it yet so I may be totally of the mark. marvelB's theory that you can use a Haki rush to disrupt a Logia user into being solid sounds very probably to me, and I hope that it's a use we will see (knowing Oda, either way I atleast wont be disepointed even if it doesn't turn out that way ). |
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My theory on how haki can beat a logia user is not necessarily that it causes a disruption but rather it allows you to cut pass the power of the fruit and touch the opponent directly. Kinda like how Zoro's "breath" allows him to specifically cut steel, maybe Haki can allow you to specifically touch your opponent and go pass the abilities of the fruit.
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2008-08-11, 23:32 | Link #33 | |
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2008-08-11, 23:37 | Link #34 | |
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Yeah, if you recall Kaku vs. Zoro, the first manifesting of Asura looked to be unintentional as if his spirit force leaked as you said, while after he had controll over Asura. |
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2008-08-12, 00:29 | Link #36 | |
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Well it was unintentional but what is intentional? Does Zoro sit down and go "Yeah Ill use this and then Ill transform in Asura"? Zoro did call upon the power of his soul because the moment was right. |
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Regarding Zoro's spirit, hehe I read wrong, I thought you said it was more of raw energy leaking out. And I don't think it's a form of Haki either, I think it's a form of Chi. But that might just be my wishing inflaunting my opinion since Haki and Chi seems familiar, it's just that I don't want Zoro to have Haki. Well, what I meant was that the first Asura manifesting looked like it was unintentional and he discovered it there, but who knows maybe it was off screen training that developed Asura just as Luffy developed his Gears. |
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Soru is something physical, it "only" requires that you train your body like a maniac. |
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(Since the obvious connection between Buhdism/Hinduism and Zoro's future abilities has been stated, I will not go into the connection too deeply.)
Zoro's "breath" seemed to be more a form of enlightenment, a harmony with nature, that Zoro attained when he was near death while fighting Mr. 1. Specifically, upon his near death experience, Zoro said that he felt the "breath" of all things around him - the placement of the material object within a greater context. He "felt" the life of the universe around him. With this discovery, Zoro found that he could exert his will over the world, specifically by allowing his sword to cut or not to cut. He then showed this ability by "allowing" his sword not to cut a palm leaf (or, possibly, "willing" the leaf to not be cut), and then "allowing" his sword to cut through stone (or, possibly "willing" the stone to be cut). His abilities then become, not a forced control over nature, but rather the ability to work in harmony with nature, finding a way to understand the universe and see how the world works. Then again, I could be looking at this far too philosophically . That being said, Haki seems to be more of a "forced" ability (stemming entirely from one's own willpower). Specifically, the power seems to force one's own will on another, forcing them into submission. |
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