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View Poll Results: Macross Frontier - Episode 25 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 133 | 39.82% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 81 | 24.25% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 32 | 9.58% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 27 | 8.08% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 11 | 3.29% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 10 | 2.99% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 4 | 1.20% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 3 | 0.90% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 1 | 0.30% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 32 | 9.58% | |
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2009-10-26, 03:33 | Link #1561 | |
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But I found quite a lot of the reactions of some people over on MW ( like, the guys I mentioned above ) to be in bad taste, too. So it's not just the "Sheryl side", so to say.
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2009-10-26, 10:12 | Link #1564 |
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Well, to be fair, the ending did make sense with what was previously shown. Namely, an Alto who can't quite commit to any one thing, and still be true to his own feelings (which he doesn't even understand, half of the time).
Not saying I like it, but it does make some sense.
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2009-10-26, 11:27 | Link #1565 |
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@Yot: In terms of the Sheryl fanbase having more brutal responses than the Ranka-fanbase who were quieter...
I think it's more because the Sheryl base had more to lose, more to be shocked about, and more to be angry or at the very least annoyed about when the harem troll occurred which is probably why they come off a lot more aggressively than the Ranka base. I don't think it's very fair to think the Ranka base has less dicks simply because they didn't say very much, seeing as...they didn't really need to? The finale was made in a way that anyone in support of the Ranka movement were bracing for a losing situation. Sure it would have been nice if Ranka suddenly came out with a hack card in her deck but if she lost it's really not too surprising seeing as Sheryl is already living with Alto for whatever reason they can handle. Also, Ranka losing the Alto-affections battle wasn't as bad as Sheryl losing it since she still has Burera to cushion to blow as well as a giant mob of blindly praising/supporting friends (I have a theory that people die or are prone to death when they say/do harmful/hurtful things about Ranka. It's like Yoko's death kiss, we should all watch out.) Whereas if it were Sheryl, the losses she suffered throughout the show would have...absolutely no silver lining X'D In the end the Ranka fans weren't trolled as hard as the Sheryl fans. In fact the harem ending was GOOD for Ranka fans cause they have far less physical content to argue for her due to the Sheryl blitzing as the show neared the end. If anyone from the opposing ship shoots at them, they now have a very powerful weapon in negating all Sheryl-fanbase attacks XD (aka the "no conclusion ending" barrier.) @Beto: Rather than sense, doesn't that just mean Alto didn't change very much :'D;;;; I suppose if "Expected" means "sense" then I can agree, but on the usual anime line of thinking, a story should really exist if it intends to change from point A to point B, otherwise there simply wasn't very much point in telling the story in the first place X'D Under that assumption, there really wasn't much "sense" in making Alto continue to waver, especially now when we know he is aware of the whole triangular situation, AND Mikhail had to die as a testament to what happens to a wavering coward. DOn't get me wrong though, cause now on hindsight I am kind of okay with the harem ending. Without it the movie wouldn't be quite as fun to wait for XDDDDDDDD |
2009-10-26, 11:55 | Link #1566 |
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That's pretty much why I don't like the conclusion I ended up drawing, as his progress (what little there was, granted) was actually one of the high points of the show, for me.
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2009-10-26, 12:40 | Link #1567 |
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Why won't Ranka fans be quieter?? Ranka just obtained godly status in the last episode by resurrecting Sheryl and still managed to be Alto's damsel in distress. Ranka fans love that. Everytime Alto tears his lungs out screaming her name and rams his Valkyrie to get to where she is. Hoo boy do they loveee that. Because she can't save herself (but can save others) and relies on Alto to save her and Alto the idiot always does so with passion. I used to observe how loud Nakamura Yuuichi can belt out "Rankaaa" everytime he does so. I think the loudest record I've seen was in episode 21. Then 24 or 25 is a tie. I think. Need to rewatch again.
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2009-10-26, 14:31 | Link #1568 | ||||
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The people whom you see fighting over shipping aren't all that different. While they're initially drawn to the series for what it is, the arguments eventually become less about the characters themselves and more about individual egos. At that point, it's not that you want to see Sheryl or Ranka have a happy ending, but rather that you want to win "your" ship and beat the other guy. Enjoyment had at someone's expense is usually bitter at best. Quote:
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2009-10-26, 14:35 | Link #1569 | ||
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(Again, the following is only about WHAT I OBSERVED. It is not meant to representative of anyone else, it is not a balanced overview of the situation, and it is certainly not the full picture, and other people can easily come up with circumstantial stories of their own that show the opposite of my experience. This is about what I saw, and how it affected me. It is also probably not referring to most people here, unless there are some I don't know about. So if you just GUESS that I'm talking about you, then I'm not.) I like Ranka; I love Sheryl. But after getting into conversations that turned into arguments with too many Ranka Haters (which is NOT synonymous with "Sheryl Fans"), I let it get to me...which is a mistake, I know...and it colored my view of the show. I doubt that I'll ever love Sheryl as much as I did initially, just because some of her supporters were so damn obnoxious...not only to me personally, but in other forums where I was not a member. If a group of people give you strawberry ice cream and says, "it's better than vanilla, and you're a fucktard if you don't agree! You don't want to be a fucktard, do you, fucktard?" Well...you're probably not going to be all that thrilled by it, even if you DO like strawberry better. (And no, that didn't happen. But it felt like it sometimes.) Clearly, the best thing to do would be to ignore the fandom and enjoy the show on its own merits, and maybe someday I'll be able to watch Sheryl without even the remotest thought of idiots browbeating me for NOT accepting that Ranka was like an annoying little gnat in comparison to the GREAT QUEEN SHERYL...but that day is not yet. As such, I find myself hoping that the triangle in the movie version remains just as unresolved, if not even more so. I've talked to a fair amount of other people who are turned off by the Ranka Hate, so I know I'm not alone. But I can only speak for myself here, though (and maybe it just means that I'm weak, or that my priorities are messed up), when I say that I don't love Sheryl as much as I did. |
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2009-10-27, 00:27 | Link #1571 | |
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I really think they should just resolve the love triangle and be done with it. It really wasn't good for Alto's development, it kinda showed how he is still prone to running away, and therefore hadn't really grown in terms of making hard decisions. Though his not choosing is also what I think ended up causing a little niche of fans to think that Sheryl and Ranka would just be better of with eachother than with Alto who basically left them hanging. |
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2009-10-27, 00:53 | Link #1573 | |
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Seriously, if one girl wins, this site (and a few others) will get TORN TO SHREDS, Frontier videos on Youtube will be inundated by profanity-laden, half-coherent outpourings of triumph and rage (in equal measure), and Crusader of THAT Animeblog will either be knighted or burned at the stake. Are you SURE you want to take that chance...? |
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2009-10-27, 01:06 | Link #1574 | ||
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2009-10-27, 01:45 | Link #1575 | |
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N-word, please. Yeah, I want the creators to resolve that storyline, in a way that makes sense. Building up the last stretch of episodes so that Alto is forced out of his complacency into actually choosing, killing Michael to that effect ( and getting by the problem of how you portray a romance with micronized Klan )... I sure as hell believe that the creators were about to end this epically. I still don't comprehend how they could think that trashing all that build-up for a wishy-washy "OMG, let's not OFFEND anybody" ending had any artistic integrity. They sacrificed all the storytelling of episodes 19-24 for either a weaksauce harem ending or a gigantic troll. That's not good writing. It simply is not. As for the movie, it is not the story of the series, just as much as DYRL was not the story of SDFM. The series was undoubtledly steering towards a Sheryl/Alto ending, there was no *way* they could have ended it on an Alto/Ranka note after the prior episodes, not without making it completely laughable. If the movie does make Ranka a better character, which the series notably failed to do, and if it builds up a credible romance between Alto and her, I could live with it. The series seriously dropped the ball on that account after episode 15, and therefore no Alto/Ranka ending should have been possible there. As I said, the movie is another story. Now, if they choose to treat the movie continuity as the "real" continuity for sequels afterwards, then I'd be pissed. And, btw. Crusader is a God among us lesser men for his episode summaries.
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2009-10-27, 02:18 | Link #1577 |
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I sure as hell hope not. Unless they manage to make the movie "series" better than the actual series. I'm not dogmatic about this, y'know, I just want a good story.
And Sheryl / Alto, unless they make that absolutely unpalatable through the movie story.
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Thats all I have to say. The momentum, the polls, and official endorsement are unlikely to endure an instant shift in opinions. It'd be suicidal, really. - Tak
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2009-10-27, 02:37 | Link #1579 | |
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*edit* BTW, just to drive a point home which I made earlier about the lack of romance between Alto and Ranka, it really strikes me that in the latter part of the series you could very easily substitute Alto into the "protective elder brother" role, without it making any difference from his point of view. I know that is what actually floats the boat for most Ranka fans here, but for me that is an active turn-off. The "meek, protection-seeking" type of girl simply isn't my thing.
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2009-10-27, 08:16 | Link #1580 | |
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