2009-08-30, 15:17 | Link #581 |
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Something to note: What if solving the epitaph isn't enough to stop the murders.
Think back to EP 3: Eva solved it and only Rosa knew. But the murders still occurred. Why? Because Eva and Rosa didn't tell anybody else about it. Then Rosa dies and Eva still keeps her mouth shut. It's not enough to just solve the epitaph, you need to state it loud and clear that you did. In this episode Battler and Erika did just that, leading all the adults down to the gold room itself, and because of that the murders didn't go according to the epitaph at all: only 5 people died first twilight, no second twilight occurred and Hideyoshi and Krauss were basically random deaths in a way. |
2009-08-30, 15:42 | Link #584 | |
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Oh, idea. I remember a plot device from one of the Poirot books: It involved a serial killer, and several deaths, one after the other, blah blah, usual plot. Turns out the guy they thought was the serial killer actually hadn't killed anybody, and that all but one of the deaths were absolutely meaningless; they were just random people that were killed to make it look like the work of some crazed lunatic, so that no one would pay much attention to the one victim that mattered. This way, no one would suspect the real killer, and he would get off, scot-free. I wonder if something similar is going on here. There's only one death that's of any importance, and everyone else is just to throw us off the scent. |
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2009-08-30, 16:12 | Link #585 | |
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And the killer or killers not following the epitaph have a better reason to stop in ep5: Someone has halfway solved the crime and accused someone of it. This is an excellent time to stop killing and hope the accusation sticks, as you then get away with it. Plus, the epitaph was solved before the murders this time, and they still happened. |
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2009-08-30, 16:20 | Link #586 | |
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Spoiler for Let's Look at this, niipa~!:
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2009-08-30, 17:06 | Link #587 | ||
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Hmm. Hideyoshi and Rosa both die four times. Furthermore, Rosa dies in the first twilight in Ep5. I doubt it's Hideyoshi, he hasn't been developed enough to be important at this point. So... who on the island would have a grudge against Rosa? ...Beatrice? >_> |
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2009-08-30, 18:07 | Link #588 | |
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Anyway, when you compile the evidence, Hideyoshi is just too underdeveloped to be completely unimportant. Think Tommy, Takano and Irie, who were much more important than they came off. (At least in my opinion) It's mentioned his family was killed in some war, but it's never stated how he met Eva or how rich his family is\was or anything. Rosa...? Hmm. Quick theory: the Beato Rosa met as a child is not the daughter of Beatrice (Kinzo's lover) she just looks kinda like her (ie Jessica- which explains why she was killed so much, in a sense) and is the daughter of some other woman. Woman's family wants revenge. They somehow found out that Rosa saw their Beato die, and the shit hits the fan from there. ...Kinda crackish, but whatever. |
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2009-08-30, 18:34 | Link #591 |
Homo Ludens
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Nanjo has to be around to identify the bodies for the first twilight, and there's no one he's close to on the island other than Kinzo, who's dead, so he can't qualify for the second.
I seem to remember a red declaration that Nanjo isn't a murderer, either... |
2009-08-30, 18:37 | Link #592 | |
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He's Kinzo's closest friend (or was it Genji?) and we have very little background info about him from episode 4. |
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2009-08-30, 18:42 | Link #593 | |
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2009-08-30, 18:44 | Link #594 | |
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I'd like to think Nanjo is an accomplice myself xDD
And yeah, Genji is supposed to be Kinzo's closest friend. It would be nice to learn more about this supposed "connection" he has with Ronove. Maybe we'll have one of those EP4-esque scenes where he and Ronove just have some casual chat lol. "How's it been?" "Fine." "So...how's the weather?" "It's raining." "I knew that." Quote:
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2009-08-30, 19:24 | Link #595 | |
Homo Ludens
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A bit off-topic, but I can't wait for the anime-viewers' reaction to Kuwasuma turning into Virgilia. That's going to be epic. |
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2009-08-30, 19:29 | Link #596 | |
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Back on topic...my dreams of an epic Genji and Ronove conversation have been shattered! Still, it would be interesting to get more character development for the servants, now that I think about it. Gohda's notebook is all we have for the the gang besides Kanon and Shannon. |
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2009-08-30, 19:36 | Link #597 | |
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So far though, that doesn't seem to be the case outside of the EP3 banquet.
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2009-08-30, 19:45 | Link #598 | |
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While we're on the topic of the servants, I can't help but think there's more to them than just servants, in a Anti-Fantasy way of course. ...I was going to elaborate more, but I lost my train of thought lol. |
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2009-08-30, 22:18 | Link #599 | |
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Or maybe his just an accomplice after all... |
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2009-08-31, 04:58 | Link #600 | ||
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Now that I think back, the whole series feels like a presentation of some nutcase's daydreams... Quote:
Genji has pretty good access to those rooms as well. He can always go in and out as he wishes and it really feels like he's involved in all this. He does die early a couple of times though, maybe someone wanted his key to the study Spoiler for First twilights:
...As I wrote the last paragraph I came across so many dead ends that I'm not sure if it's even meaningful anymore
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