2012-11-11, 02:45 | Link #3081 | |
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I can see the next "Todd Akin" politician from a red state saying something heartfelt but very stupid and a source of a great deal of controversy. "The republican party really cherishes the Latino and Hispanic populace of America. I mean, hey, at least you guys ain't the blacks!".
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2012-11-11, 02:58 | Link #3082 | |
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One way to do that would be to tone down or even pull the plug on some of these colorful talking-heads in conservative TV and Radio. States like Arizona and Alabama aren't helping to sway the Latino votes either.
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2012-11-11, 03:37 | Link #3083 | |
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2012-11-11, 03:42 | Link #3084 |
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The two party system ain't going anywhere too soon. The GOP has become terrible. Maybe they will try to improve themselves now, after losing this election. You know, I hope that the person who wins the 2016 presidential election is a democrat. This way, the GOP really will change. The GOP is willing to make some changes so that they can win in 2016, but they are hesitant to change all that much. They'll want to cling to a lot of their ways. If they win in 2016, they won't change as much as they could if they end up losing in 2016 instead. They are way too far to the right currently. If they lose in 2016, maybe they'll end up going close to the center instead of being extremely to the right. If they were moderate on social issues but still were committed to being fiscally conservative, all while axing some of the major faults of the party, that might be a party to get behind.
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2012-11-11, 03:54 | Link #3085 |
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I don't need GOP to go to the centre; I need the GOP to start living in reality, and to propose Fiscal Conservative governance that's actually anywhere close to GENUINE.
They can go has far right as they like, but they need to take their job seriously. Right now, they are just clowns confused at why people are not laughing. Not realising that they are not suppose to be clowns but public servants. No, belief can't trump reality. Not unless you are running a religious institution. Governing requires that you know what you are dealing with. The GOP showed how bad they got by being unable to even notice they were losing the election. That's grade A incompetence. The US government read charts and statistics every single day. I would hate to imagine the GOP declaring them all to be biased and instead make up numbers they like more. Sure, by all means lie to your voters; but don't be so dumb as to brainwash yourselves too.
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2012-11-11, 04:04 | Link #3086 | |
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Big or small, it doesn't matter. Taken to the extreme, the only good government is one that doesn't exist at all. Since that's an unpalatable concept to most, it's up to the people to determine what they want the government to do for them, and to pull it back when they think it goes too far. Quote:
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2012-11-11, 04:53 | Link #3088 |
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I think for people that oppose gay marriage, they are throwing the 'liberty' and 'pursuit of happiness' parts out of the window when it comes to that. But they don't care. Most of these people have no real respect for LGBT people.
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2012-11-11, 05:48 | Link #3089 |
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Well of course not, it goes back to basically any society's treatment of any "not normal" group of people. We can say whatever we want really but that's what it boils down to, "Those people aren't like -us-", and thinking a thought like that almost always coincides with the thought that the -us- are better, superior people because -we- aren't like them.
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Gotta love Ted Nugent
from a friend of mine Ted Nugent is Crazy, Sky is Still Blue So how did Ted Nugent take Obama's re-election? I'm sure with civility and class, right? Of course not. From the Wango Tango's Twitter itself: Quote:
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#1. Just because you are on Twitter doesn't mean you have to type like a moron. Use your words. #2. What kind of subhuman varmint believes others must pay for cellphones? Apparently George W Bush and the largest maker of cellphones, Tracefone, since they were the ones that made the change from landline to cellphone. And I guess you can throw Woodrow Wilson in there, too. #3. Does Ted Nugent know something about food stamps that I do not? Where can you buy booze with food stamps? And you want to know why so many people on food stamps happen to be obese? Because the cheapest food also happens to be the unhealthiest. Oopsie! |
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2012-11-11, 06:15 | Link #3091 |
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All these people having meltdowns about the election need to get real and start getting angry with the GOP for descending so low and not having their shit together. They need to start demanding the GOP to be better. And if they don't and they lose the 2016 election, these people will have severe meltdowns. And I'm sure so many of them won't blame their pwecious republican party then, either. They'll blame and hate on the democrats, liberals, and moderates some more than, too. Most of them just don't realize their party of choice needs a lot of improvement.
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2012-11-11, 08:24 | Link #3093 | |
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I could get a lot deeper into this, but in the end all I have to say is that the US is a patchwork of different types of Healthcare systems that gives rise to the unique problem of cost shifting in the US. As for Immigration...2005-2006 really was a dichotomy for the Republican Party, by proposing the Border Protection, Anti-terrorism and Illegal Immigration Control Act of 2005 it alienated much of the growing Latino community from what I saw around here. Although the Bush administration (with John McCain I might add) did react to the mass protests in 2006 with the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2006 in the Senate, which more than likely is what we'll get in the end of the horse trading in the Obama 2nd term (As he said frankly if anyone noticed). You know what's funny, for the real deficit hawks, they should pray that Congress continues it's gridlock for the "fiscal cliff." Doing nothing will make the Bush Tax Cuts expire thereby raising revenue for the gov't to reduce the deficit and the Sequester trigger is already Spending cuts legislated. Still it will definitely send us into recession like the rest of Europe with their austerity packages, But austerity chicken little's are crying that we'll become like Greece anyways. Which ironically we will be like either way if we do austerity and if counter-cyclical spending doesn't pick up as we slide back into recession. Yes it will be massively painful economically, but hey austerity right? Gotta sacrifice and tighten our belts to pay down the national debt. (Personally, I'd rather have a real stimulus program of direct government transfers and wait until we have recovered economically before trying to tackle deficits and debt. But meh)
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2012-11-11, 10:27 | Link #3094 |
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Sadly the republican party has been a headless chicken since 2008 with only one directive "stay the course" and atm I do not see them changing the course, they are just selecting their next set of lies to attempt to deceive voters. They might be talking immigration reform right now, but in the end what they will legislate will be a botched abortion just like healthcare reform.
So we have two possibilities: 1. The democrats get too full of themselves and make the republicans win the 2018 election. 2. The republicans party disappears at the federal level, the democrats get too full of themselves, they end up making a mess and finally divide into the fiscal conservatives and liberals. In the end everything will change to stay just the same. |
2012-11-11, 11:03 | Link #3095 |
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After public outrage about the State Board of Education's removal of Thomas Jefferson from a list of influential philosophers, a clearly irritated board has released a statement complaining of "erroneous" media reports and detailing other references to Jefferson in the social studies standards.
“The only individual mentioned more times in the curriculum standards than Thomas Jefferson is George Washington,” the release, issued Friday, quotes board chair Gail Lowe as saying. “We expect students at the elementary level, in middle school and in high school to study the Founding Fathers and to be well versed in their contributions to our country. That includes Thomas Jefferson and his legacy." http://www.texastribune.org/texas-ed...-blames-media/
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2012-11-11, 13:19 | Link #3096 |
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The problem will be this little issue, when it comes to the Democratic and Republican parties:
Barack Obama---61910594 Mitt Romney----58654765 Over 58 million people voted for Romney whle nearly 62 million voted for Obama. While that is a about a 4 millions person difference, there is still a large number of people that vote Republican. They cannot all be stupid. They have there reasons aside from what would be classed as the silly ones.
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2012-11-11, 13:37 | Link #3097 | |
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2012-11-11, 13:44 | Link #3098 | |
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Maybe you should wonder why EVERY one of the following nations prefer Obama to Romney with the understandable exception of Pakistan. (And Israel, which isn't listed here.) Can the rest of the planet be all stupid? You assume Romney is a good president and the GOP is a good party, by assuming the American population is wise and can't possibility give this man and his party so many votes. What is your basis for the Americans being wise? Because the rest of the world think you are absolutely NUTS that Romney got this close. Romney is either a good candidate or the GOP voters are stupid. You believe the former. The rest of the planet, the majority of the human race, believe the latter. Look, I didn't want to bring smart/dumb into this. But you are the one who brought up voter intellect. You are the one to claim the GOP is not losing because GOP supporters "can't be all stupid".
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