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2010-01-02, 19:07 | Link #148 |
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^The best movie of the year? Well, I will grant you that there is significant hidden depth to the film, much that is just waiting to be 'mined' by any observant audience (much can be said of just Giovanni Ribisi's performeance, let alone the "major" characters), but even then I would not claim that it is the best of the year (there is a least a dozen films I can think of off the top of my head that were better than Avatar), hell I am not even sure if the film is the most graphically impressive or imaginative of the year (Coraline might just hedge Avatar out, and Where the Wild Things Are is not that far behind). Avatar definitely deserves praise (it does still have a 83% at rottentomatoes and a 84% at Metacritic, so it is not like there is a "Hollywood elite" that are lambasting the film), but "THE Best" seems a bit too high.
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2010-01-02, 19:17 | Link #149 | |
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The best part of the movie was the visuals and I thought it was a bad 3d movie. It was still a good movie, but a good 3D movie should have things flying out of the screen. (Which is why Final Destination 3D was the best 3D movie ever, but also a pretty terrible movie)
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2010-01-02, 21:07 | Link #151 | |
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District 9 had more meat to the story. However Avatar was more impactful for me. I wasn't as captivated with District 9 as I was with Avatar. I also found the characters/scenes in general in Avatar more memorable than District 9. Both films I give great praise and while I'd still say that District 9 is the better film I don't think it blows the shit out of Avatar. Another thing, no one is saying shit about District 9 being an exact retelling of apartheid but are quick to bash the "unoriginal" and "cliche" story of Avatar. District 9 is a story about racial treatment and the moral aspects of humanity...with aliens. Avatar is a story about reconnecting with spirituality and the importance of preserving nature and culture, and the moral aspects of humanity...with aliens. All too familiar story tropes haven't stopped other films, like Jaws, Terminator/Terminator 2, Jurassic Park, Titanic, The Matrix, King Kong, Transformers, Slumdog Millionaire, etc., from being great films. to each's own I guess.
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2010-01-02, 23:25 | Link #152 | |
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Avatar might have combined all the above mentioned cliche and unoriginal themes but James Cameron managed to make me enjoy one of my best cinema experiences and managed to incorporate some of the most pressing and important problems in our world. Some ppl said that this movie doesnt offer much to think about and reflex.... here are somethings that came up between me and my friends after watching this film a couple hours ago: 1) There is an obvious relationship between Avatar's story and the colonization of America by the Europeans... the killing of the natives and enslaving them for the only purpose of shipping the natural resources back to Europe. (i explained this for the ppl that call this movie a rip off from Pocahontas....) Well... we all know about what happened in the past but did anything change from back then? Our current "globalized" world is just like the America-Europe or the Navi-Humans relationship.... We have the so called "Third-world-countries" that basically are exploited in a "legal" way by huge internation corporations in order to provide low cost / high profit products to the rich countries.... 2) The whole expedition and everything that happened to both Navi and the humans in Pandora was for a source of energy.... Earth sends some cientists, some excavation machinery and .... an army of mercenaries to make sure to get what they wanted... and since the natives live just above the excavation site, whats the best way to solve this? Smoke them out.... now go watch 10 minutes of CNN .... 3) Another thing that this film remarks is the ecological issue.... the balance between mother nature and the inhabitants.... dont feel like writting about this but there is another issue u can think about for a while... So yeah, this isnt a film with the most original and philosifical theories but there are definitly things to think about and personally i find these realistic problems much more interesting than wondering if we are actually energy cells for robots with AI and living in a virtual world... Hmmm and for the ppl that didnt or doesnt want to read all the above... GO and watch this at the theater. U wont regret it.
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2010-01-02, 23:39 | Link #153 | |
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We've had monarchs in the not-so-distant past that have held messiah-like status on the mere backing that they had supposedly "heard messages from God." |
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2010-01-03, 00:36 | Link #154 |
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Gah sooo many things to reply to:
@Guidohunter Toki District 9 is heavily reminiscent of apartheid but while watching the movie I don't immediatly think o this movie is about apartheid, instead I don't find it cheesy because of the way the movie is paced and set up. Where as in Avatar as soon as I see them sticking their little tail/hair/dick/w/e things into the animals, I know it has to do with spirtuality, specifically native american spirtuality, and the movie becomes highly preechy about this. When the great tree is felled, it's ecological affects are not understood, thinking that such a large tree, interwoven into atleast 5 generations of Navi spirit woven shit would have caused more than just people getting pierce by it's spare limbs. Also Sully seemed invincible, there was never tension that he would die, that made him less connectable, where as the main character in D9 is a frail human who is being hunted and it actually feels like that he might not make it. What may happen to him? What awaits his future, will he lose his humanity? Where as Jake seems to be pretty much untouchable. @incube Look I'm not saying anything like that, Cameron brings up many things but I go to movies to not be taught or talked at. The romance was highly contrived in this movie, you teach me, i bone you doesn't really qualify as a romantic tale, that's equating basically john smith and pochantas except john smith later goes out and kills half the natives before he tells pochahantas that he loves her. Also Jake is "chosen" but cameron doesn't explain why or what it means to be chosen other than a pure soul. Not to mention that most of the events that occur with the Navi lack real emotion, like jake fighting the next leader dude, after he's bed the leader dude's future wife, he shows little to no emotion. I can go on and on about plot points that were highly trite and unimportant. Also what does mirroring reality have to do with anything. Okay it parallels the iraqi occupation, so? That adds no, I repeat zero, things to the stories ability to captivate. Okay it parallels the real world, well most films do in someway or another. Ecology actually doesn't play a big role other than looking pretty, if ecology was important then it wouldn;t be three types of trees, and the occassional prayer to a fallen animal. When the big black tiger thing dies, the chick doesn't say jack shit, guess when the blue smurf penis is pleasuring you nature can take a back seat. Also female pilot? Why was she even there other than being a chauffer? Really she could have been replaced by autopilot and I think the movie would have went on fine. Her development followed the logic of a two year old, hell other than saying, "i didn't sign up for this shit" she suddenly is all I'm anti military. If it was realistic then she wouldn't be the only one. @Mad Skillz What's unrealistic is the fact that this messiah has never been "evil" if you look at history, pharohs have been villanized even in their deaths, kings were beheaded because they neglected their people. Messiahs are not always harbringers of hope, they are more harbringers of change, so the idea that from their history they have no blemish other than a "time of darkness" is just unbelievable, and what did this messiah do after he united the clans? what type of evil did he combat? These are pertinent to jake's development as messiah. Dune is a perfect exmaple of how you develop a messiah and the story to him, think kwisatch haderach. |
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Oh. I definitely agree. All of these "native" stories (Dances w/ Wolves, Last Samurai, Avatar) paint the "natives" as these incredibly pure souls that can do no harm. I wasn't arguing that; I was simply arguing the notion that it was ridiculous for the natives to put Jake on a higher level for simply conquering a beast (which is what I got out of your post).
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why do people get so serious over movies? their movies....
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2010-01-03, 10:43 | Link #157 | |
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A matter of preference, I know, but how many times can you see the same story before knowing what will happen even before the movie begins? Especially when the story isn't that good to start with and have to pay over 10 bucks for the glory of it. |
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Ur the one that is fixed on the idea that a good film must have some deep, philosofical meaning... We all know what kind of movies James Cameron makes and u need to try to understand (and if u simply cant then just accept it), that a lot of ppl actually go to the cinema to simply enjoy a visually stunning and well directed film. And this movie was able to do that for most of the ppl... Now let me quote some parts of ur response Quote:
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It seems to me that ur the naive one to think that in reality there would be so many.... ----------------- Try to enjoy the film instead of spending the time u paid for to find unimportant plot points and looking for deep meaningfull lessons from every single movie.
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