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azul120 · 2009-05-28, 23:40

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Originally Posted by Nobodyman9

Well, this has been debated before and I don't really wanna go down that road again. Yes, I understand Lelouch had his reasons for doing that, but it doesn't change the fact that it pisses me off.

Wasn't around for that debate.

Anyways, out of curiosity, what would you say Lelouch should have done? Told Rolo he overreacted?

morbosfist · 2009-05-28, 23:43

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Originally Posted by azul120

Wasn't around for that debate.

Anyways, out of curiosity, what would you say Lelouch should have done? Told Rolo he overreacted?

Well, he could have politely scolded him for turning to killing again without setting the kid off.

Nobodyman9 · 2009-05-28, 23:45

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Originally Posted by azul120

Wasn't around for that debate.

Anyways, out of curiosity, what would you say Lelouch should have done? Told Rolo he overreacted?

I'm not saying he should have done anything different. I'm just saying that the fact that he (had to) do it pisses me off.

But for the sake of argument, I have stated in the past that if Rolo came back into the room a bit sooner we would have seen the Turn 19 event a lot earlier. And hell, why not? He could have cussed Rolo out. Rolo didn't kill him when he did it in Turn 19 (of course Lelouch had no way of knowing he wouldn't, which I'll admit) Or even better, he could have just Geassed Rolo to die right there on the spot.

EDIT: That's a good one too morbos

azul120 · 2009-05-29, 00:02

If Lelouch were to Geass him to die on the spot, and I have considered the possibility in the past, isn't there the threat of Rolo using his Geass on Lelouch before Lelouch could use his on Rolo, or do you think Rolo trusted him too much not to do such a thing?

Besides, he was still using him in order to locate and destroy the Geass Directorate, even though Jeremiah, who had come directly from there, had just been recruited over to Lelouch's side.

Nobodyman9 · 2009-05-29, 00:36

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Originally Posted by azul120

If Lelouch were to Geass him to die on the spot, and I have considered the possibility in the past, isn't there the threat of Rolo using his Geass on Lelouch before Lelouch could use his on Rolo, or do you think Rolo trusted him too much not to do such a thing?

Are you kidding? This is the guy who, after having his "older brother" cuss him out he still insisted that Lelouch loved him and that he was lying. I really don't think Rolo considered the possibility. Anyway, as far as Rolo responding with his Geass, if it's a battle of Geass whoever gets in first wins. All Lelouch has to do is make eye contact and quickly give the command.

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Besides, he was still using him in order to locate and destroy the Geass Directorate, even though Jeremiah, who had come directly from there, had just been recruited over to Lelouch's side.

I would hardly say Rolo has absolutely necessary in that operation, not to mention the others that came after.

Sol Falling · 2009-05-29, 00:37

Yeah, I always thought Lelouch (having to) say he approved of Rolo's actions afterwards was really kicking her when she was down, adding insult to injury. Like there was nothing they wouldn't do to her. Made me angry too.

Now that I think about it, if Jeremiah had just been near enough to stop anything risky, Lelouch totally could and should have given Rolo the reality check he got in 19 then and there. Then Lelouch could have proceeded to lock Rolo in a box to 'punish' him, but released him to fight under pretenses of 'redeeming himself' and still gone through with his 'surprise kamikaze' plan unchanged.

lol, sorry. It seems this is just me going off on my 'Rolo didn't deserve a chance at redemption' sentiment again.

Nobodyman9 · 2009-05-29, 00:54

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Yeah, I always thought Lelouch (having to) say he approved of Rolo's actions afterwards was really kicking her when she was down, adding insult to injury. Like there was nothing they wouldn't do to her. Made me angry too.

Now that I think about it, if Jeremiah had just been near enough to stop anything risky, Lelouch totally could and should have given Rolo the reality check he got in 19 then and there. Then Lelouch could have proceeded to lock Rolo in a box to 'punish' him, but released him to fight under pretenses of 'redeeming himself' and still gone through with his 'surprise kamikaze' plan unchanged.

lol, sorry. It seems this is just me going off on my 'Rolo didn't deserve a chance at redemption' sentiment again.

Ha ha, it's all right. I think part of being a Shirley fan is having anywhere from a mild resentment to an absolute hatred of Rolo.

Anyway, that's a good speculation (even if the Rolo bashing is a bit over the top

) unfortunately Lelouch had no way of knowing the Shirley incident was going to come up after talking with Jeremiah, so he really couldn't have him around at that point. Still, he could have used him at a later time.

Sol Falling · 2009-05-29, 01:25

Well, iunno. Where did Lelouch send Jeremiah after recruiting him? I'm just thinking, if Lelouch had just had Jeremiah accompany him down the stairs, Lelouch could have raged at Rolo all he wanted.

(lol or maybe on that note, transfer some of his cyborg invincibility (somehow, though preferably no machine parts please~) into Shirley to keep her alive.

Wow, this is pretty messed up; instead of Geass Shirley, how about anti-Geass Shirley? That would so totally fit her too.)

morbosfist · 2009-05-29, 01:34

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Originally Posted by Sol Falling

Well, iunno. Where did Lelouch send Jeremiah after recruiting him? I'm just thinking, if Lelouch had just had Jeremiah accompany him down the stairs, Lelouch could have raged at Rolo all he wanted.

(lol or maybe on that note, transfer some of his cyborg invincibility (somehow, though preferably no machine parts please~) into Shirley to keep her alive.

Wow, this is pretty messed up; instead of Geass Shirley, how about anti-Geass Shirley? That would so totally fit her too.)

Somehow, I doubt Shirley would get better without turning her into Terminatrix.

Nobodyman9 · 2009-05-29, 01:46

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Originally Posted by Sol Falling

Well, iunno. Where did Lelouch send Jeremiah after recruiting him? I'm just thinking, if Lelouch had just had Jeremiah accompany him down the stairs, Lelouch could have raged at Rolo all he wanted.

(lol or maybe on that note, transfer some of his cyborg invincibility (somehow, though preferably no machine parts please~) into Shirley to keep her alive.

Wow, this is pretty messed up; instead of Geass Shirley, how about anti-Geass Shirley? That would so totally fit her too.)

A cyborg-geass Shirley?

God please, lets not destroy our precious angel any further (seriously, I think I'd prefer death).

Hmm, okay now that I've gotten over the initial shock....well, the mind does wander. I guess that could work. I mean, they do experiment with artificial organs these days. Just no machine parts on the outside please.

yezhanquan · 2009-05-29, 01:55

The Body Horror from a Geass would be enough to make her cry. I can't imagine if she gets accessories like Orange-sama.

Rising Dragon · 2009-05-29, 02:24

To be honest, Jeremiah turned out to be pretty damn cool-looking once he was completed and tuned up. I don't think Shirley would look horrific if the same had happened to her. I'd prefer if she stayed 100% natural human, but the idea of Shirley in her own Geass Cyborg outfit does sound rather interesting.

yezhanquan · 2009-05-29, 02:26

I just find his Geass canceller attachment a little funny-looking. No doubt the team would be able to make it smaller for her.

I think of this version of her as a "clockwork angel".

azul120 · 2009-05-29, 02:26

Jeremiah lost his sanity after the cyborgization though. I'd hate to see what all that would do to poor Shirley.

yezhanquan · 2009-05-29, 02:29

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Jeremiah lost his sanity after the cyborgization though. I'd hate to see what all that would do to poor Shirley.

His final form was largely ok. After all, orange farm = love.

Still, unless there is some water-proofing, she would never be able to enjoy a dip in the pool again.

Rising Dragon · 2009-05-29, 02:36

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Jeremiah lost his sanity after the cyborgization though. I'd hate to see what all that would do to poor Shirley.

He lost his sanity because he was incomplete. They weren't finished adjusting him and he had been awakened prematurely. Hearing the voice of the man who had put him through all sorts of hell only sealed the deal.

And as stated, after some time and his adjustments completed, Jeremiah was fairly stable.

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Still, unless there is some water-proofing, she would never be able to enjoy a dip in the pool again.

He didn't have any problems coming out of that tank full of liquid back in S1. I daresay the cyborgs are waterproof.

Nobodyman9 · 2009-05-29, 02:40

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To be honest, Jeremiah turned out to be pretty damn cool-looking once he was completed and tuned up. I don't think Shirley would look horrific if the same had happened to her. I'd prefer if she stayed 100% natural human, but the idea of Shirley in her own Geass Cyborg outfit does sound rather interesting.

Wow, you guys are being quite open to this idea. Hmm, I still feel kind of uncomfortable about the idea of 1/3 (or any amount) of her body being metal machinery, but I guess it could redesigned to suit her. It doesn't have to look just like Jeremiah's. And yeah, Jeremiah's cyborg outfit was pretty cool, or maybe his badass loyalty just made it seem that way

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Jeremiah lost his sanity after the cyborgization though. I'd hate to see what all that would do to poor Shirley.

Well, cyborgization combined with his obsession of killing Zero. As I just said, it was only after his cyborgization that he became a total badass. It would depend on the circumstances, but I think Shirley could accept it. I'm sure she'd be quite happy to be alive.

yezhanquan · 2009-05-29, 02:41

Still, it would be very weird to see her in the pool after her ... enhancements. For one, she is going to leave the best swimmers in the dust if she goes all out.

Rising Dragon · 2009-05-29, 02:42

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Still, it would be very weird to see her in the pool after her ... enhancements. For one, she is going to leave the best swimmers in the dust if she goes all out.

Haha, true. And she'd look badass doing it, too. As for her appearance, I don't think so. Any facial additions like Jeremiah's might look out of place, but the cyborgs generally retain a human body. I mean, just look at Jeremiah in the epilogue.

Sol Falling · 2009-05-29, 02:43

mm, if I remember correctly, Jeremiah's cyborg form was based on research on the Code, right? Geass immunity, the ability to interface with orange ball mecha (damnit, I keep forgetting its name. Sutherland Sieg?), etc. Iunno, the point of 'cyborg-ifying' Shirley wouldn't have been to give her powers, though, just to keep her alive, so there's no reason they'd have to go all the way or anything. I think even just an immunity to geass (i.e. Code bearers, minus the immortality) would have made Shirley pretty badass (specially given all Geass had done to her! I remember from the old romance threads someone once pointed out that Shirley's the only one to have been hit by all of them, wasn't she? Mao, Lelouch, Charles, Rolo. Actually wait, Lelouch got all of them too; only Shirley got anti-Geassed too, though.).

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azul120 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008	If Lelouch were to Geass him to die on the spot, and I have considered the possibility in the past, isn't there the threat of Rolo using his Geass on Lelouch before Lelouch could use his on Rolo, or do you think Rolo trusted him too much not to do such a thing? Besides, he was still using him in order to locate and destroy the Geass Directorate, even though Jeremiah, who had come directly from there, had just been recruited over to Lelouch's side.

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Sol Falling Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Age: 35	Yeah, I always thought Lelouch (having to) say he approved of Rolo's actions afterwards was really kicking her when she was down, adding insult to injury. Like there was nothing they wouldn't do to her. Made me angry too. Now that I think about it, if Jeremiah had just been near enough to stop anything risky, Lelouch totally could and should have given Rolo the reality check he got in 19 then and there. Then Lelouch could have proceeded to lock Rolo in a box to 'punish' him, but released him to fight under pretenses of 'redeeming himself' and still gone through with his 'surprise kamikaze' plan unchanged. lol, sorry. It seems this is just me going off on my 'Rolo didn't deserve a chance at redemption' sentiment again.

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Sol Falling Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Age: 35	Well, iunno. Where did Lelouch send Jeremiah after recruiting him? I'm just thinking, if Lelouch had just had Jeremiah accompany him down the stairs, Lelouch could have raged at Rolo all he wanted. (lol or maybe on that note, transfer some of his cyborg invincibility (somehow, though preferably no machine parts please~) into Shirley to keep her alive. Wow, this is pretty messed up; instead of Geass Shirley, how about anti-Geass Shirley? That would so totally fit her too.)

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azul120 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008	Jeremiah lost his sanity after the cyborgization though. I'd hate to see what all that would do to poor Shirley.

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Sol Falling Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Age: 35	mm, if I remember correctly, Jeremiah's cyborg form was based on research on the Code, right? Geass immunity, the ability to interface with orange ball mecha (damnit, I keep forgetting its name. Sutherland Sieg?), etc. Iunno, the point of 'cyborg-ifying' Shirley wouldn't have been to give her powers, though, just to keep her alive, so there's no reason they'd have to go all the way or anything. I think even just an immunity to geass (i.e. Code bearers, minus the immortality) would have made Shirley pretty badass (specially given all Geass had done to her! I remember from the old romance threads someone once pointed out that Shirley's the only one to have been hit by all of them, wasn't she? Mao, Lelouch, Charles, Rolo. Actually wait, Lelouch got all of them too; only Shirley got anti-Geassed too, though.).