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View Poll Results: Fate/Zero - Favourite Character(s) Poll [First Part] | |||
Servant Saber - King of Knights, Arturia Pendragon | 90 | 33.83% | |
Saber's Master - Magus Killer, Emiya Kiritsugu | 89 | 33.46% | |
Servant Archer - King of Heroes, Gilgamesh | 91 | 34.21% | |
Archer's Master - Magus Partiarch, Tohsaka Tokiyomi | 14 | 5.26% | |
Servant Lancer - Fianna Knight, Diarmuid O'Dyna | 68 | 25.56% | |
Lancer's Master - Lord El-Melloi, Kayneth Archibald | 16 | 6.02% | |
Servant Rider - King of Conquerors, Iskandar | 155 | 58.27% | |
Rider's Master - Magus Student, Waver Velvet | 49 | 18.42% | |
Servant Caster - Bluebeard, Gilles de Rais | 30 | 11.28% | |
Caster's Master - Serial Killer, Uryuu Ryuunosuke | 26 | 9.77% | |
Servant Berserker - Black Knight, ???? | 60 | 22.56% | |
Berserker's Master - Crest Worms Magus, Matou Kariya | 92 | 34.59% | |
Servant Assassin - Old Man of Mountain, Hassan-i Sabbah | 6 | 2.26% | |
Assassin's Master - Church Executor, Kotomine Kirei | 65 | 24.44% | |
Irisviel von Einzbern | 113 | 42.48% | |
Hisau Maiya | 24 | 9.02% | |
Sola-Ui Nuaba-Re Sophia-Ri | 11 | 4.14% | |
Others | 20 | 7.52% | |
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2012-01-05, 05:06 | Link #62 | ||
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Anyway, way to completely misunderstand the character and what he thinks as conquest (to master without humiliation, to defeat without destruction. That is conquest for Rider). Read the novels, protip: all his followers were willing, all those countries he conquered ruled themselves while he kept on moving to the east. It's not 100% clear in the anime, although most people actually get the right idea. His goal is to be alive again. As Waver lays it down: Quote:
Yep, this too. Rider's pretty idealistic like Arturia, just a different set of ideals.
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2012-01-05, 05:53 | Link #63 |
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Dreams are dreams. Foolish, near impossible things that we strive to accomplish. Yet, the greater the dreams, the greater the potential of greatness for those who manage to make the impossible possible.
Rider and Arturia both had dreams, great dreams. These dreams pushed them to accomplish the feats that finally defined them as heroes. Even though they weren't be able to accomplish all their dreams, the history they left behind them can only let us admire them and call them Heroes, because they are people who have fought and battled to the end so that their dream may become real. Rider got this point right, he has no regrets on what he failed to accomplish, because he gave it all he could. Arturia gave it all she could, but thinks that she has failed. You never fail when you give out everything of yourself. ---- Well, that's my philosophy :P
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2012-01-05, 06:04 | Link #64 | |
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Despite his intentions, he ultimately took everything he wanted by force, hence the title 'Iksander, King of Conquerors'. Your naïve portrayal of him as a great man does nothing to change the facts. The ends did not justify the means. He is an ambitious, but inconsiderate and reckless man, and did not fight for the sake of his expanding empire, but rather himself. Those are his true flaws, not overbearing kindness. And in this respect, yes, he is indeed the polar opposite of Saber, as her goal to protect her country with no regard for herself is more noble than his ego trip will ever be. Last edited by SJCrew; 2012-01-05 at 06:21. |
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2012-01-05, 06:21 | Link #65 | |
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Number two no ? What is sure is that number one is Arcueid.
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2012-01-05, 08:10 | Link #67 |
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The spot for "the most powerful being" in the Nasuverse is quite a hot topic. Arguments and speculations abound, but most people still can't settle down wherever ORT, Arcueid, or whoever of the first ten Dead Apostles Ancestors is the most powerful.
One thing seems to be certain though from the info that I gathered. Altrouge and all her mooks gathered is probably more powerful than Arcueid herself.
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2012-01-05, 08:54 | Link #69 |
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On the earth. This does not count the other Aristoteles... or the one that was able to slay them.
ORT himself isn't from the earth, as he's Mercury's ultimate one. Let us still remember that Gil has a weapon that can DESTROY WORLDS. He just never really bothers using it... And yes. we could start an endless discussion here, but we should stop as discussing who's the most powerful one in the Nasuverse shall bring this thread to a total off-topic mode.
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2012-01-05, 13:07 | Link #70 | |||
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Also, my favorite character is Kotomine, who is really twisted, and I love him for it. I think Rider is the most likable character and even the most admirable in a life a human being should strive for (Saber is admirable too, but she led a life no human should have), but he's not my favorite (he's just among them). Furthermore, I dislike when people completely misunderstand any Fate character, including freakin' Sola who is one of my least favorites. Quote:
He fought for himself, because the will of the king as a fact is the will of his followers. They are one. That's the basis of his power: flawless cooperation. King and subject are one. Of course he 'takes things by force' but you're missing the point of what conquest means to him: he masters without humiliation and destruction. That's his "force". His way is kind of similar to the shounen protagonists who defeat the enemy of choice, then they switch sides. That's why he's misplaced in his kindness, this isn't a shounen series. Even Saber comes across as more ruthless than him, IMO. What's your point? Leaders do awful things? The end justifies the means? Saber, much like Kiritsugu (that's why they are more compatible than they think, outside of their conflicting thoughts about chivalry), sacrificed the minority to save the majority. All for the sake of her goal, including killing her son, Mordred, when he rose against her. So she's not really bloodless on this, either. Yeah, she did it for the sake of her kingdom, but so what? Rider's ideal is no way inferior to hers, but different.
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2012-01-05, 15:10 | Link #71 |
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Iskander for sure. I love his blunt and direct approach to everything compared to everyone else's secretive plotting.
He is so silly with his modern clothing and wine party. --- If this is not restricted to F/Z Anime, Matou Kariya. I pity him but also admire him. ---- Anyone feel Irisviel have nearly no personality? (Probably just me). She's not even boring. Being boring is even a trait. But it just seems as though the team decided to not develop any personality into her character. |
2012-01-05, 17:02 | Link #73 | |
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Lol, I think he's the only one I didn't vote for.
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2012-01-05, 17:58 | Link #75 |
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Well on the subject of Irisviel I can't blame anyone for having a hard time defining her character. She's got more personality than Kariya but that's not really saying much considering it was only more than zero. It especially doesn't help that almost every time we see her that there's someone around who leaves a much stronger impression. Irisviel might have been more memorable in a less epic setting but as it stands she's mild salsa among blazing hot sauce; a victim of circumstance.
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2012-01-05, 19:30 | Link #76 |
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Well, Iri's personality isn't that strong because she's been brought up to be an emotionless doll. And, I don't see how Kariya "lacks personality". He lacks screentime, yes, but the time he has had has definitely shown that he has a personality....
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2012-01-05, 19:48 | Link #77 |
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She might have been raised specifically for battle, but I imagine that marrying someone and starting a family is going to require more than whatever she started with. And Kariya's lack of screen time isn't an excuse considering Rin's episode fleshed out one character more than the entire anime did for Matou. And for reference, this is my first rodeo with the Fate/ series and I'm not likely to read the light novels, meaning there's no out-of-show development influencing my thoughts on the matter.
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2012-01-05, 19:52 | Link #78 |
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Irisviel does not lack personality. She is very strong-willed and always cheerful even though she was doomed from the start. It should surprise no one that she ranks just behind Iskander on popularity poll.
I guess she appears to lack personality because F/Z has many extreme and unique personalities. There is Gilgamesh being the king above all with a sadistic twist, Iskander with all his awesomeness, Saber and Lancer being supremely chivalrous, and Caster......Irisviel is a little more subtle compared to them. |
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