Code Geass Episode 23 Discussion / Poll

[Juvyniled]

If it's an assumption that you're spouting, then I won't disagree with that possibility.

But if you strongly believe that that is what will happen, I'd have to disagree. What they had initially been talking about was a U-235 isotope, or in others, a possible fuel source. This might have foreshadowed the use of atomic devices in the future, but it would have to be in the distant future. Face it, even if she was a genius, it's not like "Oh, hey, I could use this enriched uranium to make a nuclear bomb!" It'll take time, and we COULD possibly see it used it season 2, but it will NOT likely be used in the remaining episodes. That was all I was suggesting, I wasn't trying to say that it was impossible (they would likely include a time skip after the first season). Even as intelligent as she is, she's not going to produce a nuclear weapon within hours. Yes, I said hours. She has very very very likely not have been working on it prior (this isn't just nuclear fuel we're talking about, this is a nuclear WEAPON, you know, kaboom, bang, explosion, death, DEATH; point is, she's a student, she's not sadistic enough to have concocted such a plan prior). And Lloyd is pre-occupied on the Avalon, so he can't help (but I'd assume he would because of his obsession with science).

Orange's new "transformation" was pretty intimidating, but I doubt he'll serve much of a purpose beyond sidekick or henchman since he was merely comedy relief at the surmise of this series.

[m-san]

In the ep, it seems to me she's working on a KF. And from the glowing thingy, I can also assume she's working on something radioactive.

I don't think it will be a nuclear weapon. Rather, I think it will be a nuclear-powered KF. That'd be awesome. And if Nina dies, a lot of other people will die in the nuclear KABOOM! Way cool.

Of course, it's just speculation, and a crazy one at that, but still possible

[thundrakkon]

Nina ia one crazy, freaked out, insecure, genius. From her talk with Lloyd, it can be presumed that she has been studying this for a while, and might have already developed preliminary blueprints ahead of time.

Notice I did not say a nuclear bomb, but a nuclear weapon. The KF is already a weapon in itself, and with Anime science, Nina could have altered it into a nuclear weapon.

Of course, all of this is speculation, but I still strongly believe they would not have shown Nina working on "something" if it wasn't significant. And the only significant thing Nina has shown so far in the series (besides her Yuri actions) is the fact that she researching and working nuclear theory. When speaking with Lloyd, she did mention how difficult it was to get a sample, and Lloyd seemed to want to oblige out of his scientific curiosity.

Either way, she will probably make a big impact along her way to her death.

As for where she would keep it, probably in the science room or where they kept the KF. Uranium is not that valuable a commodity in CG world, so it would not be something someone would want to look for to steal, unless they want radiation as a toy. It is rare, but certainly not valuable.

As for why Lloyd would give it to her, simply, he's curious as to what she can do with it. He is a scientist afterall, and if she can put good use to it, he can probably use her research for his own purposes.

[HunterRequiem]

From what we can tell, sakuadite is a much more effective form of energy then strapping a nuclear reactor to the KF, because if it wasn't, they would use Uranium instead.
As for why "enemies of the US" don't have nukes, its because, like it has been said before, uranium is really, really, really hard to get. If you've paid attention to the world news recently, you'll notice that Iran is enriching uranium. This takes thousands of centerfuges to be done on a large enough scale for a reactor (even though we all know they want a bomb). As for how Llyod may have got his hands on a critical mass size of enriched uranium (asuming he was the one who gave it to nina), I would speculate that, since he's the top scientist of the empire, he probably has lots of "toys" to play with.

[Juvyniled]

Nina's last name didn't have to be Einstein either.

Case in point, she was working atop a frame last we saw her plot her revenge. Nuclear powered? Who knows, but it wouldn't be all that useful apart from using Sakuradite (even with a massive fuel source, frames would very well be limited to their capacities).

I was implying that it was no simple feat in making the bomb itself. She's an individual student. Regardless of intelligence or genius, she's one person. Lloyd is not there to help her. Another key obstacle: time. Time is definitely not on her side, and I suspect this revolt will last no longer than a week.

[Jeffry2009]

GOd! I can't wait for this summer! I have always thinking about code geass all day, all night! What am i supposed to do? get my a** off my seat and play command & conquer 3 instead? (maybe the game inspired anime i think like KANE ala zero) * i'm so glad that i'm going to be the first japanese class later this summer*

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by Juvyniled

Nina's last name didn't have to be Einstein either.

Case in point, she was working atop a frame last we saw her plot her revenge. Nuclear powered? Who knows, but it wouldn't be all that useful apart from using Sakuradite (even with a massive fuel source, frames would very well be limited to their capacities).

I was implying that it was no simple feat in making the bomb itself. She's an individual student. Regardless of intelligence or genius, she's one person. Lloyd is not there to help her. Another key obstacle: time. Time is definitely not on her side, and I suspect this revolt will last no longer than a week.

Still, there is one way the script can bypass the issue of the time required in building a nuclear device from scratch; by assuming components of existing (and perhaps commonplace!) sakuradite technology could in some ways be adapted to uranium technology.

What if sakuradite power-packs used by Lancelot and the like could be converted to a Uranium reactor? It would be like ripping out a car engine and use it to build an aircraft.

This is possible only because other than Sakuradite having superconductor capabilities, we know next to nothing on how it functions. Black-box technology and all...

[Juvyniled]

It would be more plausible in that sense. It all depends on how much they're willing to let "slide" or how much they're going to detail that matter.

[JediNight]

Uranium is rare (U-235), but not as rare as (U-238). As Nina said, that made up only like 3% of the material. But in Code Geass world, where nuclear theory was only in its infancy, the material isn't valuable. It's much like the real world in the 1800s ... they knew of uranium, but didn't have a use for it.

And to power something the size of a Knightmare frame, you only need a small amount of uranium. (I think nuclear subs and carriers only have like 20kg or less?)

[Zishi]

A question... I have never gotten what Sakuradite is... I know its some important material for something and I know that many want to aquire it.

So anyone what is it really ? ^^

[HunterRequiem]

Sakuradite is a metal, apparently, which is somehow combustable. It is unknown whether it is an element or a compound (my vote goes to compound). It has superconducter abilities, and can also be used as a power source. Other then that, we really don't know.

[Twisted Reality]

Originally Posted by Juvyniled

Don't relate Code Geass to Gundam Seed.

There is a limit to anime in any case. If there wasn't, Code Geass wouldn't have bothered attempting to make events and circumstances all that reasonable (anything that is/was otherwise highly coincidental is typically explained by Geass).

There's simply no way to explain how she'd have managed to acquire uranium. I'm not exactly sure however if the theory of relatively has been derived in this 'reality.'

*grins and raises his hand*
"Ooo! Ooo! Teacher Sensei!"

Lloyd did mention gifting Nina a "thing" from the science museum. (I don't know, the translation was weird.) My guess is that "thing" is a relic from research previously done on fissionable materials. The invasion probably either put a stop to it, or the project was killed off to fund other military projects. This "thing" might've inspired Nina to do the kind of research that she did.

My guess is that it's a hunk of refined Uranium 238. A little bit worse off for its aging, but perhaps there's enough that isn't lead to give us critical mass. (Lloyd sure knows how to treat a girl...)

In which case, she's outfitting the Knightmare to launch a nuclear warhead?

TOKYO GOES BOOM!
Again...

[Juvyniled]

The people that designed the nuclear warhead WANTED to. It wasn't just a matter of whim; they wanted to possess the power encompassed by such a device. Who knows, Nina's probably pissed enough to the point that she would want such a thing... but it's not as if she can have it ready just on the snap of a finger. Now a nuclear powered frame is not so difficult to imagine... she probably redesigned the parts of the frame as to utilize U-238 (assuming that was the 'gift' and assuming sakuradite and uranium are "interchangeable").

EDIT: Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that only U-235 is fissile. U-238 can be used as a fuel source however.

[Zishi]

Originally Posted by HunterRequiem

Sakuradite is a metal, apparently, which is somehow combustable. It is unknown whether it is an element or a compound (my vote goes to compound). It has superconducter abilities, and can also be used as a power source. Other then that, we really don't know.

Ok thanks, I have never heard of metals having a power source but thats what makes it special I guess.

[Deathkillz]

^ well it is a fantasy world they have giant crushing KF but havent got nuclear weapons so that makes things even (thats until nina completes her nuke )

[Twisted Reality]

Originally Posted by Juvyniled

The people that designed the nuclear warhead WANTED to. It wasn't just a matter of whim; they wanted to possess the power encompassed by such a device. Who knows, Nina's probably pissed enough to the point that she would want such a thing... but it's not as if she can have it ready just on the snap of a finger. Now a nuclear powered frame is not so difficult to imagine... she probably redesigned the parts of the frame as to utilize U-238 (assuming that was the 'gift' and assuming sakuradite and uranium are "interchangeable").

EDIT: Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that only U-235 is fissile. U-238 can be used as a fuel source however.

Yeah, it's probably 235, but screw it...plutonium for the win!

Anyway, this is Code Geass. It's not so much that they can't explain things as things are *improbable* but occur for dramatic reasons. Yes, I'm still going to complain about Mao getting enough materials and manpower for a complex pendulum bomb and Viletta getting a personality rewrite from getting shot. Yes, Mao can probably coerce people using his knowledge of other people's secrets but not everybody has such convenient psychological baggage lying around. Yes, the trauma from a gunshot wound *might* cause amnesia. Either way, it's highly *unlikely.*

Point is, saying that Nina can't have the materials to make a nuke at "the snap of a finger' and positing it as logic seems pointless. If the characters *need* something, then they *have* it. Need Lancelot? Need a hypnotic amnesia eye ray? Guren? Gawain? Pendulum bomb? Mounted ceiling turret? a hot spring that can trigger a landslide? A conveniently fragile city foundation? Nuke?

Anyway it is possible that she might channel fission into some sort of mecha super-science but it just seems to be a hard sell. I mean, Sakuradite was probably preferred to uranium for Knightmares anyway. This would explain why uranium was pushed aside. (Besides uranium isn't a superconducter.)

[Juvyniled]

While it seems pointless to argue the the possible existence of such matter as frames or sakuradite or coincidental occurences... but uranium and atomic weapons are one facet that CAN be explained... unless they wish to warp the understanding of it of course. It's easy to use the excuse, hey, it's anime, anything goes. But is that how they really wish to proceed with this? If Nina were already working on it, and she were not a student at some academy, I'd find it more sell-able.

[mist2123]

they could use both for like Sakuradite for conduting the massive energy from nuclear reactor to create a full powered hax KF

[hipeach]

Nina is Einstein, she can make a nuke herself no sweat.

[arkon]

Originally Posted by Twisted Reality

Yeah, it's probably 235, but screw it...plutonium for the win!

Anyway, this is Code Geass. It's not so much that they can't explain things as things are *improbable* but occur for dramatic reasons. Yes, I'm still going to complain about Mao getting enough materials and manpower for a complex pendulum bomb and Viletta getting a personality rewrite from getting shot. Yes, Mao can probably coerce people using his knowledge of other people's secrets but not everybody has such convenient psychological baggage lying around.

Sure not everyone does, but he only needs to find those people that do and that will be able to provide him with what he needs, which again given his power shouldn't be too difficult for him to find.