2013-03-28, 20:09 | Link #2041 | |
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These regimes work with a carrot and a stick, if you don't give people a reason for them to work for you outside of you won't kill them, you won't get particularily loyal subjects. Hitler played to peoples ego and national pride while giving them tangible benefits. That's why he had so many loyal subjects. |
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2013-03-28, 20:48 | Link #2043 |
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Not really, at least not in regards to any real historical depth. Thing is is about Hitler's rise to power, is that it was heavily influenced by the global great economic crisis and war reparations. That's also why there's an upturn in some of the far right/extremist politicians during these economic times. There's a lot to be learned for conditions required to elect some of the more dangerous elements of society into power.
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2013-03-29, 03:01 | Link #2046 | |
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Of course, the world isn't such a nice place and there are many moments in its history that are full of horrible things like Witch Hunt. But if you live in a peaceful country and you see those freaks from the church demonstrating about killing homosexual people or KKK, you can't help but think that those fanatics from the church and those racism extremists are assholes. I should have realized that my opinion will go nowhere. I know all of us are the type to sit back and say "that's horrible" to anything involving people suffer, while not attempting to do a damn thing but complain. I regret how the phrase "put yourself into another's shoes" has gone horribly wrong, with people putting themselves into the perpetrator's shoes instead of the victim's. So, what are you suggesting the NR and the revolution army should do then? Peaceful demonstration knowing full well they'll get slaughtered the moment they do that? |
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2013-03-29, 10:46 | Link #2047 |
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If Esdese should be punished for her crimes and so should Tatsumi and all of NR for murders they have committed. Or are you going to pull this naive way of thinking and say it was the death of evil people or corrupted or for the greater good? Just don't murder is murder no matter who is killed good or bad. Basically all should be judged and a fit punishment for both Esdese and NR is death. I think imprisonment is out of the question here. Yeah this topic you guys are arguing about is pointless and both side are forwarding their own ways of thinking, nothing will get done this way. Only diversity will increase |
2013-03-29, 12:03 | Link #2048 | |
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2013-03-29, 12:46 | Link #2050 | |
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2013-03-29, 12:50 | Link #2051 | |
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2013-03-29, 13:36 | Link #2052 | |
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2013-03-29, 13:51 | Link #2054 |
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Punishment from whom?
If the Empire wins, they will be punished as terrorists. If the Revolution army wins, they will either be lauded as heroes or erased from all records. If it's a mutual ceasefire leading to a peace treaty it is likely they will be hanged out to dry as a peace offering by the revolution army. If you go by medieval standards, they would not be punished at all if the the revolution army wins. Even if you go by current war standards/Geneva convention, they would not be punished. |
2013-03-29, 13:53 | Link #2055 | |
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2013-03-29, 14:08 | Link #2056 |
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My view reflect the modern views regarding war crimes and active combatants, so the actions of NR are in line with what combatants are 'allowed' to do during war, and hence would face no punishment after the war ends provided the results are judged by those who do subscribe to the modern standards of warfare.
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2013-03-29, 14:22 | Link #2057 | |
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Generally the term war is described as conflicts on a massive scale with thousands of soldiers involved on multiple fronts. Land, Air and Sea. I see nothing to suggest this is a war. The empire does not know NR is part of RA, I think the main char Tatsumi does not realize this himself that he is a soldier of RA. RA and the Empire are not at war. So you simply implying they are at war is invalid because they are not at war. It is nothing more than a small conflict. So, that being said everything you said in your sentence is invalid. Even if you can call it war The Empire does not know NR is part of RA. RA is not officially at war with The Empire, it more of a one sided conflict. Had the RA be at war with The Empire and RA won, yes I would agree with you a 100% but they are not at war |
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2013-03-29, 14:30 | Link #2058 | |
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They ARE at war. Night Raid is the revolutions covert ops. They are still soldiers in the war, they aren't civilians and they contribute to the war effort. Just because you don't know what the enemies covert ops are, or whether they exist it doesn't mean your not at war with them. Covert ops are an extremely intergral part to a war effort. They are more important than any indivdual soldier on the ground as information is everything in a war and successful assassination can singlehandly prevent conflicts. I think your misunderstanding what a war is. A war does not mean massive conflicts of soldiers on fields, in fact modern warfare is nothing like that. More often than not modern warfare involves guerilla warfare against small organized pockets of resistance. This is a civil war, you do not need a declaration for a civil war as this is no formal country. Things aren't remotely clear cut in civil war. But the Empire is in armed conflict with these rebels, they are at war with them hence why Esdese is sent to squash the pockets of resistance. |
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2013-03-29, 14:34 | Link #2059 | |
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Also, a good historical parallel with what NR is doing is Operation Valkyrie. They failed and were executed as traitors but are now remembered as heroes. Of course, NR hasn't 'failed' yet and had Germany won WWII things would be a lot different. |
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2013-03-29, 14:37 | Link #2060 | |
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