Fate/stay night Game discussion (Warning: Spoilers)

[Moczo]

*Shrug*

As far as I'm concerned, it's canon. Every other route got two endings, so why not Fate? Call them Fate True and Fate Good.

[yakumo-chan]

Originally Posted by Moczo

As far as I'm concerned, it's canon. Every other route got two endings, so why not Fate? Call them Fate True and Fate Good.

yey! im so happy right now!

im a big fan of shirou/Saber
also... Saber/Archer

so... can you guys tell me the story of what exactly happened in the ending in the PS2?? cause I really cant understand any of the japanese word...
on why shirou and Saber ended up??

[Haak]

Originally Posted by DragoZERO

It is considered canon but I do not take it as such. To me, it was added for the fans.

Originally Posted by RadiantBeam

I do admit to considering it canon, but then again, I'm a Saber fan and a huge Saber/Shirou fangirl. So I was glad to see them get their "Good End".

Originally Posted by Moczo

*Shrug*

As far as I'm concerned, it's canon. Every other route got two endings, so why not Fate? Call them Fate True and Fate Good.

I'd like to consider it canon, because to me that was by far the best piece of romance throughout the entire game.

[Cherry_Lover]

Originally Posted by DragoZERO

It is considered canon but I do not take it as such. To me, it was added for the fans.

Yeah, my personal interpretation is that it is probably a dream, or something similar, because it just doesn't make any sense.

[Wigwams]

btw about the "dream" in HF route...

Spoiler for spoilers:

so from my understanding it was rider who was behind it, so that she could get some prana out of shirou right?
so... from what i remember this was before the time rider was living in the emiya household... so how did she infiltrate the place and get prana without anyone knowing, especially saber who was just at the other side?
and did rider ever confess what she did to shirou or anyone for that matter?
and does sakura know about what happened?

[DragoZERO]

Originally Posted by Cherry_Lover

Yeah, my personal interpretation is that it is probably a dream, or something similar, because it just doesn't make any sense.

I don't think it is a dream, I can believe that it happened. I just don't accept it because I think it's done fore fanfare.

Originally Posted by Wigwams

btw about the "dream" in HF route...

Spoiler for spoilers:

so from my understanding it was rider who was behind it, so that she could get some prana out of shirou right?
so... from what i remember this was before the time rider was living in the emiya household... so how did she infiltrate the place and get prana without anyone knowing, especially saber who was just at the other side?
and did rider ever confess what she did to shirou or anyone for that matter?
and does sakura know about what happened?

I may be wrong but...

1. Yes
2. She's very very sneaky, aka possible plot hole.
3. No.
4. No.

Does anyone have any insight out of F/SN? Maybe HA gave us some more answers or something.

[Haak]

I'm sure Sakura must've known. If she didn't then what was all that about Sakura wanting to know what Shirou was dreaming of?

[DragoZERO]

Originally Posted by Haak

I'm sure Sakura must've known. If she didn't then what was all that about Sakura wanting to know what Shirou was dreaming of?

She may have known. Would be an interesting twist but I highly doubt she did. She didn't like Shirou being close to any other girl.

[Moczo]

She seemed to have some indication, because like Haak said, she did ask Shirou what he dreamed about.

Of course, I guess she might have just heard him moaning in his sleep and recognized he was having a sex dream without realizing who was responsible...

[Cherry_Lover]

Originally Posted by DragoZERO

4. No.

Actually, I think it's implied that Sakura does know what Rider has done. I doubt she pre-approved it, though....

[Wigwams]

hmmm. we also have to ask why rider chose shirou... i mean shinji is much closer and i bet shinji wants it too in the first place...

[Moczo]

Originally Posted by Wigwams

hmmm. we also have to ask why rider chose shirou... i mean shinji is much closer and i bet shinji wants it too in the first place...

You... you really had to ask why someone wouldn't want to have sex with Shinji?!

Okay, here's two reasons right here:

1) Shirou has more mana.

2) Shinji is Shinji.

[Wigwams]

anyway one more question about the HF true end.

Spoiler for spoiler:

from what i remember rin was being... interrogated by the association right? and then at the end her master appeared which caused a stir and they forgot about rin... who is this master, her dad? from what i remember this master was supposed to be dead.

[RadiantBeam]

Originally Posted by Wigwams

anyway one more question about the HF true end.

Spoiler for spoiler:

from what i remember rin was being... interrogated by the association right? and then at the end her master appeared which caused a stir and they forgot about rin... who is this master, her dad? from what i remember this master was supposed to be dead.

Spoiler for Gem Sword:

It's implied that the master was the original creator of the gem sword Rin used to fight off Sakura, Zelretch. And I don't think he was actually dead, he was off wandering around in alternate realities or something.

[DragoZERO]

Originally Posted by Moczo

You... you really had to ask why someone wouldn't want to have sex with Shinji?!

Okay, here's two reasons right here:

1) Shirou has more mana.

2) Shinji is Shinji.

You gotta feel bad for Shirou thinking it was a dream...he'd probably curse himself for not waking up if he learned the truth, I sure would.

[Moczo]

Most normal men would indeed be quite disappointed to learn they'd slept through an erotic encounter with Rider, a.k.a. 'Sex Personified'. Shirou is so shy he'd probably have a heart attack if he knew the truth, though

[Endscape]

Yeah, my personal interpretation is that it is probably a dream, or something similar, because it just doesn't make any sense.

... Again with this? It makes sense if you think about it. Avalon is where the Lady of the Lake lives. The Lady of the Lake is an Elemental, and so Avalon is her domain. Humans can enter the domain of Elementals by accident, so what happened is probably something like after the events of Fate,Saber is about to die, but Merlin. who going by what happened to him in the legends could be said to be in Avalon too, dragged her there so she wouldn't die, and made arrangements for Shirou to be able to get in, 1500 years later.

[Haak]

I don't really know much about the Nasuverse and how the magic works but how exactly does 'True Magic' work? The Type Moon wiki describes it as a 'miracle' and says something about "the ability to make possible something that is impossible to realize", which is exactly what Saber and Merlin said had to happen in order for Shirou to enter Avalon.

So I just figured it was actual magic. Is that right or wrong?

[willyvereb]

Originally Posted by Endscape

... Again with this? It makes sense if you think about it. Avalon is where the Lady of the Lake lives. The Lady of the Lake is an Elemental, and so Avalon is her domain. Humans can enter the domain of Elementals by accident, so what happened is probably something like after the events of Fate,Saber is about to die, but Merlin. who going by what happened to him in the legends could be said to be in Avalon too, dragged her there so she wouldn't die, and made arrangements for Shirou to be able to get in, 1500 years later.

Hm, it can be quite possible. This is Merlin,the top Deus est Machina kind of mage in about every fiction that mentions him. Good point.

About the True Magic: the real magic is something that can't be explained by the modern theories of magecraft. They are powers that should be impossible by their current knowledge. For example real instantaneous teleportation, resurrection of the dead, traveling in time, reaching alternate dimensions, breaking the laws of energy conversation etc...

The True Magic is a miracle since it doesn't follow the regular laws of magecraft. Also each True Magic has strong connection with Akasha, the origin. Since the Grail is an incomplete Heavens Feel it can do things akin to a miracle and may even grant wishes. The wishgranting is closely related to reaching Akasha and thus using god-like power.

I hope that was satisfying enough.

[Haak]

Yeah, I'm just going to go ahead and believe A Wizard Did It, then. True both figuratively and possibly literally.