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Perfect 10 | 92 | 52.27% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 36 | 20.45% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 29 | 16.48% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 12 | 6.82% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 4 | 2.27% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 0.57% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 2 | 1.14% | |
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2011-03-08, 02:09 | Link #562 |
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Oh, QB is lying, all right...the way he put it is: I'm just taking a little bit of magic from the shadows to increase the universe's longetivity. Totally inconsequential and altruistic.
In truth it's: I don't really understand magic, so I'm running an experiment to bring about the strongest witch possible and see if her magic is powerful enough to rewrite the laws of the universe...no way to tell what's gonna happen though..tihi. I mean, what he's doing is basically a negative spiral. Eventually a strong magical girl turns into a strong witch, and you need a stronger magical girl to defeat it, who in turn becomes an even stronger witch...continue the cycle for as long as possible until you come up with the ultimate witch that Earth can produce. So maybe Homura isn't even powerful. In the future you just need that much magic power or you can't even face an average witch. And already time travel has been achieved so QB is well on the way to his goal it would seem. In fact, if you had time travel, why would you even have to worry about entropy?
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2011-03-08, 08:20 | Link #563 | |
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1) Isn't exactly friends with QB. As in actively trying to stop at least the Madoka plan. 2) Is limited to Magic girls and thus, given that supposedly QB's race has no emotions and can't be magic girls, doesn't really benefit them. The evidence of this is based on QB's comment that Homura's ability was time manipulation magic. He then surmised that Homura was not from this timeline, basically implying that Homura was a Magical Girl from another time and her time manipulation magic was a result of her wish (like Sayaka's higher regen was a result of her wish to "heal" Kamijou). If these facts are true, it seems to behoove them to worry about "entropy" since they can't make use of said time magic. (My view on entropy is that the actual term is irrelevant, it's just some mysterious magical force that can't be stopped by other means in this series and that people stuck up on the sci fi aspect of it are taking it a bit too seriously. And well I like sci fi.). |
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2011-03-08, 08:32 | Link #564 |
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Actually, QB's entropy explanation is an inside joke on writing for animes or mangas--since writing amounts to one definite way to convert the emotion of pubescent girls into money. Come to think of it, writers are always killing off young girls in their stories n order to avoid the death of their little creative universes...You can just see the writers sitting around talking, holding their heads, knowing that their next car payment or kid's dentist bill rests squarely on whether enough 13 year-olds get excited by what they've written.
It's a joke, but a pretty rueful one. The writers can do whatever they want with QB, but I wonder if they don't have some sympathy for the devil, since the devil is awfully like themselves... |
2011-03-08, 08:45 | Link #565 |
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So I rewatched the episode again looking for random stuffs and well I actually caught an interesting detail...
look at the time QB appears and in case you don't know "3 a.m. [it is] the devil's hour, as opposed to 3 p.m., when Jesus was said to have been crucified" and "In England, the witching hour begins at 3am and runs till 4am. The hour before midnight is also used for the practice of witchcraft." source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witching_hour Coincidence or intentional? I think it's an interesting detail.
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2011-03-08, 09:28 | Link #566 | |
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2011-03-08, 13:03 | Link #567 | |
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2011-03-09, 08:35 | Link #571 | |
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Also, simplicity doesn't always mean that it is correct. When it comes to works of fictions, it's very difficult to apply a scientific "principle". |
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2011-03-09, 11:15 | Link #572 | |
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Interestin' one...
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2011-03-09, 15:13 | Link #573 |
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I am sure people have noticed, but the episode titles seem to be spoken by characters.
Madoka Episode 1: "It Feels as if I Met Her in a Dream..." Episode 2: "That Sounds Really Wonderful" Mami Episode 3: "I'm Not Afraid Anymore" Sayaka Episode 4: "Miracles and Magic, They Both Exist" Episode 5: "I Have Absolutely No Regrets" Episode 8: "I've Been Such a Fool" Kyoko Episode 6: "This Just Isn't Right" Episode 7: "Can you Face your True Feelings?" Episode 9: "That, I Will Not Allow" Episode 10 is entitled "I Can't Depend on Anyone Anymore." Wonder who that would be... |
2011-03-10, 00:39 | Link #576 | |
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Sayaka: "Whenever I wish for someone to be happy, someone else has to suffer as much. / That's what it means to be a Puella Magi." Or, again, Madoka: "Why? / She [Sayaka] wanted to protect people from witches... / She wanted to become a hero of justice... / That's the kind of Puella Magi she wanted to be... / And yet..." Homura: "She took the burden of the curse equal to that wish. / She will live on now causing suffering just as much as she was helping others earlier. / [...] Do you understand now? / The truth behind what you admired so much." Nothing is got for nothing. The happiness of one has to be paid for by the suffering of another. The wish to be a Magical Girl opens up the possibility of its opposite, the witch; and all the good the mahou shoujo does is balanced by the suffering the witch causes. The net is always zero. |
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2011-03-10, 23:02 | Link #577 |
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Damn won't she stop listening to that evil QB! Secondly she should post the truth about QB and the evil of his race and what they promise vs the truth. Ruin QB plan by making it widely public on the internet and spread the rumors to stop him from playing with mankind.
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2011-03-14, 04:20 | Link #579 | |
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I am incredibly late in catching up to these two latest episodes. There have certainly been some major and very interesting revelations. Damn, though, if Hyperborealis hasn't in this thread put forward everything I wanted to say and more much more eloquently than I think I could've managed.
As far as the new revelations about things like "entropy" and "aliens". Other posters have already made good arguments about how they add to the show's thematic coherency. Not that I can claim to have predicted either of these at all, and neither do I wish to claim that the following is especially meaningful, but I am amused and gratified that circumstantially, coincidentally, and somehow presciently I seem to have brought up both those precise words in my episode 8 commentary. In no way were they applied explicitly to predictions or plot analysis of course--but again I am talking about the show's thematic consistency . Hyperborealis has expressed just dazzlingly my conception of this show as a reflection of "reality's morals", the nature of gain and intentions and self-accountability, and my hopes for this story to touch upon our lives in the real world as a tale of living with hope and integrity even in a world where grief and joy come to all humans, good and bad alike. It is a hopeful ending in even a universe where 'evils' like Kyuubey can't be defeated, where 'evil' (or 'grief' or 'sadness' as a part of life and nature) is a fate or inevitability, that I am looking for this show's true catharsis, as a reflection of the real lives and world we all confront and live in. Kyuubey's 'evil' is merely a reflection of the suffering and misinformation and helplessness that does or will exist in our own lives, and it is the girls' and especially Madoka's ability to move beyond that--which will be the real moral of the story. To go back to thematic consistency. Kyuubey as an 'alien' represents the cold, objective perspective of the natural world, where, against all our ideals of faith and justice and good intentions and genuine meaning, our feelings of self-entitlement to happiness can be turned against us. 'Entropy' reinforces a fundamental truth of our world, where nothing can actually be got from nothing, where everything has a cost, and a gain in one place equates to a loss elsewhere. As Kyuubey harvests energy for the good of the universe, this 'free' emotional energy from humans is really not arising from nowhere--that good, in fact, is being paid in direct proportion by the suffering of these young girls we have come to follow. And this, as well, is simply life/reality. Our own comforts, livelihoods, freedoms right now are also most definately being paid on the backs of others; and we too, in this vast universe, may at some point in our existences also have our joy trampled for someone else's sake. How then do we live? Selfishly, hoarding for our own gain, and striking out at anything that threatens us? Or blindly, clinging to our idealism, hurtling headlong into the earth as reality catches up with us? This is the question Madoka Magica is confronting, in more direct and strongly a manner than I have almost ever seen in a piece of entertainment media. Kyouko in this episode offers a poignant and relevant answer. Discard your hindrances: live--and die, then--by the one thing you truly care for. Powerful as this idea is, it has merely trapped Homura in an endless recursion of suffering and sent Kyouko to die at the hands of a witch which cannot even recognize her. In the end, it will probably be Madoka who shows us the answer; that is if I and Hyperborealis are right about this show's themes, and I hope we are. If I may speculate, furthermore, the thought has just occurred to me that that answer may lie in the words Madoka's mother gave to her: to learn to let go, make mistakes, and let something wrong happen. Perhaps, indeed, to be an adult means to accept loss, be resilient, and move on, allowing necessary evils to pass by for things more important. Indeed, we might have even already received an answer, inasmuch as it has been said (by the series director, I believe) that Kyuubey as he is now survives through the end of the series. Quote:
(I think it is indeed the Grief Seed, and not the transformation itself, which contains Kyuubey's desired energy. This idea seems somewhat dubious going on the information from this and the next episode. I will wait until episodes 11 and 12 to confirm, though, as this would currently give the show more conceptual consistency.) :P Maybe I will repost the latter parts of this post to the speculation thread. Last edited by Sol Falling; 2011-03-14 at 04:37. |
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