(CR) Saki Achiga-hen: Episode of Side-A (anime)

[hyl]

Originally Posted by Scarletknive

-Dragon Roads are easy to beat...(In which case, Kuro since she does not play defense.)

The problem is not that she doesn't play defensively, the problem lies that she can't play defensively due to her ability completely backfiring on her if she discards a dora.

Originally Posted by Scarletknive

-Red tiles only applies to any tile that is red, which also include Dora. Since Man and Chun(And some other pins and sous) has red, do not wait for those.

I am pretty sure Yuu's power includes any tiles that has a red colour somewhere like the bamboo 1, 5, 7, 9 or the circle 1, 3, 5, 6, 7, 9 tiles. That's why it was said that there is no actual way of countering it (besides playing it safe and not discarding those tiles, but it won't win you games) , because she can get so many different tiles.
And unlike Kuro, she can discard those tiles without any repercussions.

[Scarletknive]

Originally Posted by hyl

The problem is not that she doesn't play defensively, the problem lies that she can't play defensively due to her ability completely backfiring on her if she discards a dora.


I am pretty sure Yuu's power includes any tiles that has a red colour somewhere like the bamboo 1, 5, 7, 9 or the circle 1, 3, 5, 6, 7, 9 tiles. That's why it was said that there is no actual way of countering it (besides playing it safe and not discarding those tiles, but it won't win you games) , because she can get so many different tiles.
And unlike Kuro, she can discard those tiles without any repercussions.

Although if you notice you get all greens, you are practically winning.(But since unlike Kuro's skill, there is no backfire, she can discard any tiles with ease.) So like you said, maybe it is impossible. Since from some pictures(Haven't watch, waiting for the sub group to sub this episode), there is a 6 sou there...

So in order not to get backfired, Kuro has to discard non-Dora tiles? Assuming the enemy kan 3 of the tiles, if Kuro has 12 Doras inside............(Speaking of which, if the players total kan more than 4 BEFORE the person's turn throws the tile, is it counted as a draw?) I think Kuro's skill can be put to good use...

[hyl]

Originally Posted by Scarletknive

Although if you notice you get all greens, you are practically winning.(But since unlike Kuro's skill, there is no backfire, she can discard any tiles with ease.) So like you said, maybe it is impossible. Since from some pictures(Haven't watch, waiting for the sub group to sub this episode), there is a 6 sou there...

The bamboo 6 is not a tile that has anything red in it, but Yuu's hand had the bamboo 5 and 7 which are red. So Yuu doesn't even need to win on a "red" tile with a ron, which makes it even harder to predict what is safe to discard.

Originally Posted by Scarletknive

So in order not to get backfired, Kuro has to discard non-Dora tiles? Assuming the enemy kan 3 of the tiles, if Kuro has 12 Doras inside............(Speaking of which, if the players total kan more than 4 BEFORE the person's turn throws the tile, is it counted as a draw?) I think Kuro's skill can be put to good use...

In normal games, it's quite rare to see any Kan's. Unless she was fighting Saki, don't ever expect her to have 12 dora tiles.

[night_sentinel]

Finally, I have some free time to watch episode 6. And right at the bat there is Kuro and Yuu sisterly love. I like the role reversal here with the little sister who is always protecting the elder one instead of the other way around.

And its a very nice backdrop to the match with Yuu being able to prove that she can help or protect Kuro in some way too. Sigh ... I really have a weakness for this type of relationship so this is the highlight of the episode for me.

Spoiler for spoiler for the original Saki anime:

I wonder if the mangaka is doing it intentionally but Matsumi's siblings is a nice contrast to the Miyanaga siblings. The Matsumi's are there for each other with Kuro protecting Yuu when Yuu is being bullied and now Yuu trying to alleviate Kuro's guilt and avenging her by earning back the points taken from them.

While Saki's and Teru's relationship is one big question mark but its definitely not an okay one. From the original anime we know that Saki still adore Teru with her flashbacks and being the reason why she wants to actually go to the nationals and all. From Teru's side, she is acting a massive <insert censored word here> to her sister or being very tsundere which is also possible.

It's time like this that I have the urge to wallop Teru with a big hammer and lock her along with Saki in a room so that they can reconcile already.

[hyl]

For the people wanting to know what is 100% safe to discard against Yuu:
-any wind
-any dragon besides the red one
-bamboo 2, 3, 4

Any other tile could get you ron'd by her.

[Kyuu]

Originally Posted by Scarletknive

So in order not to get backfired, Kuro has to discard non-Dora tiles? Assuming the enemy kan 3 of the tiles, if Kuro has 12 Doras inside............(Speaking of which, if the players total kan more than 4 BEFORE the person's turn throws the tile, is it counted as a draw?) I think Kuro's skill can be put to good use...

Kuro said it herself. If she discards a dora, then she outright loses her Dora Magnet powers for the rest of the game. Seeing as her defense play is not good - she'd lose her offensive capability as well.

Originally Posted by Scarletknive

Shizuno is still a ??? for me.

Seeing as she doesn't wear pants... she likes to go "Open Riichi"... and scores off of tsumos!!

Spoiler:

I made that up. XD

C'mon Shizu! Put some frikkin' pants on!!

Spoiler for NSFW:

[Flower]

Watched ep 6 last night ... was so glad that did a good job (at least I thought so) in portraying Yuu. She is without doubt my fave of the Achiga team.

This series continues to deliver for me....

[Qilin]

Originally Posted by hyl

For the people wanting to know what is 100% safe to discard against Yuu:
-any wind
-any dragon besides the red one
-bamboo 2, 3, 4

Any other tile could get you ron'd by her.

I wouldn't go as far as calling any discard 100% safe.

Her power is limited to skewing her draw distribution, so it probably won't stop her from drawing "cold" tiles every once in a while.

[hyl]

Originally Posted by Qilin

I wouldn't go as far as calling any discard 100% safe.

Her power is limited to skewing her draw distribution, so it probably won't stop her from drawing "cold" tiles every once in a while.

I do mean when she is in tenpai. Of course they can discard a red dragon or a characters tile without getting hit by a ron from her, but the tiles that i mentioned are the only 100% safe ones. Because those tiles are not connected to "red tiles" in a way that she can claim a ron.
I was just elaborating why Senriyama was saying that there is no actual tactic against Yuu's playstyle, because there aren't many actual safe tiles.

[night_sentinel]

I agree with the above statement there is really no foolproof defense that can be done against Yuu's playstyle that will not kill your hand. But, I would also add that it doesn't really have many advantage either.

Due to the sheer number of tiles that has red in them, Yuu's playstyle is just like playing ordinary mahjong just with a more skewed probability and the player discarding unorthodox tiles ( cold tiles).

The only advantage of this style that I can see :
1. The unreliability of suji as shown in the anime. Yuu's discard would be hard to read since her discarding is unorthodox.
2. Perhaps it makes Yuu reach tenpai faster since probability is skewed toward her.

When you think about it, Yuu's power is actually mild in comparison to others but on the upside it doesn't carry a big gaping flaw like Kuro.

On Yuu's disadvantage since she skews probability of red tiles being drawn by her. Then she lowers the chance that they are drawn by other players. The other players will then have a higher chance of drawing non-red tiles. If there is a playstyle that needs a lot of cold tiles then Yuu's power will be helping that player. For example. A player that specialize in an all green yakuman.

[Triple_R]

Just watched Episode 6.

I actually liked the pacing of this episode myself.

If I recall correctly, somebody speculated that we'd have 3 episodes for this round and 5 for the next, taking us through this anime and the semifinals. That speculation looks very likely to be correct now (either that or 4 and 4) and that's probably the best way to handle it.

I like how Team Achiga isn't storming back into first place right away, and will really have to fight for that victory if they do achieve it. IIRC, the first and second place teams both advance, so the narrative could easily have them finish second here.

[Scarletknive]

Originally Posted by hyl

For the people wanting to know what is 100% safe to discard against Yuu:
-any wind
-any dragon besides the red one
-bamboo 2, 3, 4

Any other tile could get you ron'd by her.

Whites are considered cold...(Haku.)
Grass made by the wind which cause it to be COLD....(Wind and Green tiles.)
But as long as there is red between the greens/black you will feel warm.(5,7 sou in between is 6 sou.)

[hyl]

Originally Posted by Scarletknive

Whites are considered cold...(Haku.)
Grass made by the wind which cause it to be COLD....(Wind and Green tiles.)
But as long as there is red between the greens/black you will feel warm.(5,6,7 sou)

She obviously has no problems with bamboo tiles as long as it has a red colour in it, because she won a hand with it a bamboo 6 wait. The bamboo 6 tile is either completely green or half blue and green, depending on with what kind of tiles you are playing with. It's not a "warm" tile but in some cases even a cold tile.

[Eater of All]

Originally Posted by night_sentinel

On Yuu's disadvantage since she skews probability of red tiles being drawn by her. Then she lowers the chance that they are drawn by other players. The other players will then have a higher chance of drawing non-red tiles. If there is a playstyle that needs a lot of cold tiles then Yuu's power will be helping that player. For example. A player that specialize in an all green yakuman.

I guess she wouldn't want to meet Mao Zedong in a mahjong match then.

[Myssa Rei]

Originally Posted by Eater of All

I guess she wouldn't want to meet Mao Zedong in a mahjong match then.

Heh, a Legend of Koizumi crossover? That would be something.

[Kotohono]

Great episode, and Yuu's match was great to watch.

Originally Posted by Myssa Rei

Heh, a Legend of Koizumi crossover? That would be something.

Saki already had a cameo of sorts though:

Spoiler for cameo:

[Kyuu]

Originally Posted by Eater of All

I guess she wouldn't want to meet Mao Zedong in a mahjong match then.

I scored a Ryuu Iiso once -- without any hatsu. Hell, one hatsu was in my discard.

[Myssa Rei]

Originally Posted by Konakaga

Saki already had a cameo of sorts though

Wait, what? What chapter was THAT from? The extra chapter I remember had Putin in it, and NOT Saki's author.

[Sol Falling]

Originally Posted by Myssa Rei

Wait, what? What chapter was THAT from? The extra chapter I remember had Putin in it, and NOT Saki's author.

It was a separate oneshot that Koizumi's mangaka did, actually. See http://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=61140.

[night_sentinel]

Originally Posted by Konakaga

Saki already had a cameo of sorts though:

Spoiler for cameo:

Is it just me or does Ritz looks like Arata from Achiga?