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But yeah, for consistancy's sake I'd say everything about Shirley would remain the same except that she would be Japanese. |
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2009-07-21, 02:50 | Link #882 | |
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I can't say Shirley would be exactly the same. She was raised in Britannia, and aside from being accepting of other cultures, doesn't show much of a problem with the "crush the Numbers under their boot" thing (neither does the rest of the Student Council that aren't revolutionaries or soldiers for that matter, but one might chalk this up to lack of screen time).
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2009-07-21, 02:59 | Link #883 |
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sheirly lived a sheltered life with little to no pain or suffering, and so she became the cheerful, swimsuit wearing, lulu chasing girl we all know and love
her biggest concern in life (at least, at the start of the show) is "what do i do to get lulu to notice me" had she been raised in post war japan under the conditions that the japanese people did (like suzaku and kallen did) i'd expect her to be considerably less cheerful, and considerably more jaded which seems to be the standard i'd expect she would support zero, but only because of the hope he represents, not so much because of any personal feelings
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@blade: A very fair assessment. I guess it is hard to be cheerful when your county has been demolished and your people oppressed. Still, it's not impossible I guess. I guess it depends to what degree you think she's naturally cheerful and optimistic and how much of it is just influenced by the circumstances around her. |
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2009-07-21, 03:53 | Link #885 |
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Well, the writers were free and clear to write most of the student council in that way since Nina already filled in the "token racist" category among that little group...
She got better, though. One of the few things R2 got right. Out of all the student council members other than Lelouch, Kallen and Suzaku, Shirley got the most screen time and focus, but I wish she had been more integral to the plot. Especially in R2; she seemed to exist (and cease to exist) there just to push Lulu further toward the Dark Side.
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2009-07-22, 15:58 | Link #887 | |
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Anyway, this whole subject ties in to another question I had in mind. We've talked often enough about the possibilites of "If Shirley had survived would she help Lelouch" and all that. A lot of people denounce that idea since she probably wouldn't be capable as a pilot and has no stake in the Japanese reclaiming their nation, but I don't think impossible. So here's the question, could Shirley possibly join up with the Black Knights? Whether or not she'd be all that useful or not is irrelevant, but...well, I guess the question I'm really asking is would Shirley want to join the Black Knights? I mean, she could've still helped Lelouch out without becoming a member or being directly involved with them. C.C. didn't really have any stake in Japan's future and she more or less became a member (she certainly hanged out with them enough) But what about the personal aspect? Yes, Shirley would definitely want to help Lelouch because he's, you know, Lelouch. But do you think she could see the importance of the Black Knights' mission and sympathize with the Japenese's struggle? |
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2009-07-22, 16:19 | Link #889 |
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I am not sure if Shirley could become a BK, or a valuable-something to them. I believe, she would be helping Lelouch emotionally with her Shirley-ish speeches, and probably would hang around the bridge and stuff, but that's it.
As if she could sympathize with Japanese-struggle, i am not really sure, if she could totally overlook the fact, that because of that struggle, innocent people die as well, her papa included. I would be more eager to say, that Lelouch's story with papa and missing sis, would touch her {as it did anyway, looking back Turn 13} and she would focus on that more. |
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Oh! Lol I forgot to answer the part about the Japanese struggle and Shirley's feelings...but I agree with Sky. I don't think she could overlook the lose of innocent lives(especially given what happened to her father). I could see it becoming a two sided thing, where Shirley wants to join both for Lelouch and for making sure her father's death wasn't in vain. Of course, since it's Shirley, she would feel badly for the Japanese, but I don't think that would be her main motivation.
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Good arguments. You make a very good point sky about how, even if Shirley may sympathize with Japan's oppression, it may be hard for her to overlook the loss innocent lives. But then again, it depends how much she blames it on Lelouch and how much she blames it on the Black Knights. From what we've seen she mainly blames her father's death on Lelouch/Zero, but she forgives him. So if she could make peace with Lelouch I think she could make peace with the Black Knights since they're only his followers.
As far as her being concerned for the Japanese, I still think Lelouch would be her primary motivation I would have to have seen a little subplot or something where she comes to understand the strife of the Japanese. Perhaps a little exchange with Kallen where she explains what she's lost (her brother, etc.) as a result of the Britannian occupation. For that matter, it would also be interesting (I always thought it would be interesting) to see Kallen confessing that she was the one that caused the landslide. |
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I did not say, that Shirley would hunt down the BK with Michael's from Friday 13th butcher-knife, but she would not be exactly "hooray guys, let us embark on the next mission!!1" with them. It would probably be a situation, somewhere in the middle. I cannot really use Lelouch, as a comparison-meter, because Lelouch for Shirley is like God. She can overlook certain things she might not have done for anyone else, exactly because it is him. |
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You cannot be really forgiving when it comes to the killing of your own father, no matter what the circumstances were. She is a kind and a noble person, but up to a point. Lelouch was the only one, she was willing to strach the even-"super-kind"-limits for. |
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Oh really? How can you be so sure? We never really got her insight into the Black Knights and how she felt about the rest of them. So with that we pretty much just have to take her character into account. I think given time she could grow to forgive/understand them. And besides, as I said before, Lelouch is the mastermind behind it all. If she can forgive him than I think she can forgive his followers who were only obeying his orders.
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Lol, i never said i was "sure!!111" i just expressed my opinion. It is an "if" into an "if" anyway. I could just see Shirley, being more hung up to Lulu and his close surrounding, seeing as this would be a totally non-natural field for her. |
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2009-07-23, 03:14 | Link #898 |
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I'd think so. After all it is Lelouch leading them. But she also says in her final moments that she acknowledges the fight Lelouch wages on against Britannia. I'm thinking it has to do with Geass and how it completely changed her life by rearranging her memories and I'm getting from her last episode that she was willing to fight with Lelouch because of all of that happening. Know that makes me want to go watch that episode to understand it fully again. Oh well.
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