Archived Index LN Future Volume Speculation/Theories

[Javiersansano]

Dudes, please. .. use spoilers tag... i'm waiting for the whole novel to be translated... just by reading the tutke if each chapter the plot gets slightly spoiled.

By the way, who should i be thanking for the so far swift translation?

[allfictions]

Originally Posted by Javiersansano

By the way, who should i be thanking for the so far swift translation?

js06, the translator since Volume 20 I think.

Also called js06.exe, for the speed of his translations.

[tsunade666]

Originally Posted by Javiersansano

Dudes, please. .. use spoilers tag... i'm waiting for the whole novel to be translated... just by reading the tutke if each chapter the plot gets slightly spoiled.

This thread is for future speculation. This thread allowed spoilers to be not put in spoiler tag because if you visit here. It mean your knowledgeable on what's currently happening to speculate on what will happen later on.

[Miraluka]

Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

Like what Kyon said....Christian method is outdated because it's using Osiris Aeon.

But that's why I said there could be magicians from Horus, for example: Aleister after getting the Book of Law from Aiwass.

This is not the same as saying Magic is fail. Religion and Aeon is a method of wielding power that's all so saying religion = Magic is incorrect.

I don't get this part of yours. Could you rephrase it?

In fact if anyone can be said to be closest to wielding pure Magic, it's Othinius since she's adding phases....not operating under them. Although manipulating phases only means she isn't quite there yet in terms of reaching the true world.

She may add phases but IMO she can't bend them at all or else she would be able to go back to her world. It seems the phases she can manage doesn't involve traveling back to time.

[desrtsku]

^ Heh? What?

Spoiler for long and shameful:

It seems the phases she can manage doesn't involve travelling back to time.

time

Is this really how it works? Those so called phases look like they retroactively overwrites past events as they alter the present. It's as if travelling 16 years back in time, in a world where Kamijou Touma is a Spanish Kung Fu fighter, would just transport you in a period where the Spanish father and mother did they conjugal duty.
If the solution was as simple as "travelling back in time 3 minutes before she started transforming the world because time travel is just that damn potent and plot convenient", then she should have just aimed to create a world where someone invented a time machine.

[tsunade666]

I think the time isn't the problem here because the perfect world shows that Othinus can start a world from scratch that has different time and events.

Othinus can't go back doesn't mean she can't create a world where the current time and era is still year 80' 90' or even 2000 BC or year 0000 of christian calendar.

[Miraluka]

Originally Posted by desrtsku

^ Heh? What?

Spoiler for long and shameful:

Is this really how it works? Those so called phases look like they retroactively overwrites past events as they alter the present. It's as if travelling 16 years back in time, in a world where Kamijou Touma is a Spanish Kung Fu fighter, would just transport you in a period where the Spanish father and mother did they conjugal duty.
If the solution was as simple as "travelling back in time 3 minutes before she started transforming the world because time travel is just that damn potent and plot convenient", then she should have just aimed to create a world where someone invented a time machine.

I already adressed the fact she can't do that proves my point of her being withing the countable world that Aleisters mocks.

[WiliamZ0]

I still kinda interested on how Touma gonna spill out his sadness on Misaka Will

[BW95]

Originally Posted by WiliamZ0

I still kinda interested on how Touma gonna spill out his sadness on Misaka Will

I'm still waiting on the four pages of cursing.

[Magin]

Since the question of "how can Othinus be topped" has been asked more than once, I figured I'd share my own little theory here.

Since we're almost positive that Aliester and Aiwass are the true Final Boss(es), with Laura stewart possibly in the mix as well, I'm thinking that where Othinus failed in truly changing the world (they were all just filters, and IB brought them back to the "original" world), Aliester will succeed. I'm figuring that Aleister distributing the Sisters around the world will be part of it, since IIRC, this was in order to create a literal worldwide AIM field. I think it's been said that the AIM field gives him access to the IND... anyways, I think that the theory right now is Aleister is using what Othinus is doing to his own advantage, and I think he might even be able to override IB as a reference point. Basically, where Othinus only changed the world so it would affect Touma, I can see Aliester truly changing the world through the AIM field, and even IB wouldn't be able to keep the original world around. And yet Touma would be the only one aware of this change, but the difference between Aliester and Othinus would be that Touma would still be a part of the world and people's lives

[BossKagaxx]

But let's not forget about the other foreshadowings too:

Spoiler for NT8:

“Ugh, just look at me. I let my guard down. I wonder if the day is coming when I will be forced into a serious fistfight with 120% beast mode Index or enter a drawn-out battle to the death with a dark shadowy gathering of misfortune given physical form…”

Spoiler for NT9:

“Please no! If you head down the course of a martial arts master, I won’t be any match for you!! Was I right and Index really is the final boss!?”

Then there is that "that of which that writhes in Sahara" (previously posted by allfictions)...

[Goldzero]

Originally Posted by BossKagaxx

But let's not forget about the other foreshadowings too:

Spoiler for NT8:

“Ugh, just look at me. I let my guard down. I wonder if the day is coming when I will be forced into a serious fistfight with 120% beast mode Index or enter a drawn-out battle to the death with a dark shadowy gathering of misfortune given physical form…”

Spoiler for NT9:

“Please no! If you head down the course of a martial arts master, I won’t be any match for you!! Was I right and Index really is the final boss!?”

Then there is that "that of which that writhes in Sahara" (previously posted by allfictions)...

oh god, the author planning on killing touma at the end.

[tsunade666]

are we getting a Touma and Index final battle? >_> that's already been done in Shana and I like more that one than this. The impact of Touma vs Index won't be compare to Shana vs Yuuji because there is an actually romance development on those two than Touma and Index.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by tsunade666

are we getting a Touma and Index final battle? >_> that's already been done in Shana and I like more that one than this. The impact of Touma vs Index won't be compare to Shana vs Yuuji because there is an actually romance development on those two than Touma and Index.

Perhaps not, but it would come full circle, what with the very first novel he 'fought' with her. Think of it as a rematch.

[desrtsku]

Originally Posted by Miraluka

I already adressed the fact she can't do that proves my point of her being withing the countable world that Aleisters mocks.

Do what? Travelling back in time? Why would she do something so useless? She doesn't want to travel 10 years into the past of a world she doesn't like, she wants her old one back.
And how does that prove your point anyway? I fail to see any correlation.

[dniv]

Originally Posted by desrtsku

Do what? Travelling back in time? Why would she do something so useless? She doesn't want to travel 10 years into the past of a world she doesn't like, she wants her old one back.
And how does that prove your point anyway? I fail to see any correlation.

I like the fact that this conversation is actually happening and that I am understanding it & agreeing with the ridiculous points. (Read what you said again without any Index context and you'll understand what I mean. Travelling back in time? Why would she do something so useless? lol)

Also, after this volume it's pretty obvious that Touma's personality has changed a lot and will be different. This has become obvious. It's also obvious to me why Touma decided to face the world... If he already treats himself as a demon to humanity that broke all of the relationships he had with his friends and has to rebuild them from ground-zero in the future, then what better what to do that, than to become the enemy of the whole world and get your friends' support.

I feel like Touma might not have changed, but his relationships to everyone else changed immensely. This makes everything different and interesting.

[WiliamZ0]

I still wanna to see how NT9 ended and how NT10 will continue NT9 (especially with Touma who became enemy world for Othinus)

[dniv]

Originally Posted by WiliamZ0

I still wanna to see how NT9 ended and how NT10 will continue NT9 (especially with Touma who became enemy world for Othinus)

Yeah, this coupled with the fact that he said he's going to tell everyone what happened makes it obvious his relationship with them is going to be strained.

Not only is he making himself the enemy of the world, but he's going to tell people that he sacrificed the world for himself before he got to this situation.

Not only are most people not going to believe him, initially, but he's also going to have to rebuild these friendships.

This is really turning the series on its head and it's making it much more enjoyable.

I love it when events mess with all of the inter-character relationships in a series. It's better here though because it didn't need death (ok maybe it did...) to make it happen.

[WiliamZ0]

Originally Posted by dniv

Yeah, this coupled with the fact that he said he's going to tell everyone what happened makes it obvious his relationship with them is going to be strained.

Not only is he making himself the enemy of the world, but he's going to tell people that he sacrificed the world for himself before he got to this situation.

Not only are most people not going to believe him, initially, but he's also going to have to rebuild these friendships.

This is really turning the series on its head and it's making it much more enjoyable.

I love it when events mess with all of the inter-character relationships in a series. It's better here though because it didn't need death (ok maybe it did...) to make it happen.

Well, I think it have something to do with what Kazakiri ever say to Index in Vol6.

“…That’s not the case. To quarrel… is a proof of good friendship.”
“Why? Quarreling will hurt others. I’ll be hurt if I hear someone say something bad about me. Friends with good feelings won’t say anything that will hurt others.”
“Friends who are able to quarrel…”
Kazakiri said calmly,
“Are friends… who can be together even when they quarrel. A friendship won’t end because of a quarrel. That person… because he believes in you, he won’t break off with you just because of a quarrel… thus, he could quarrel with you without holding back.”
“Really?”
“That’s true… if not, do you think that it’s better not to quarrel? Because if you don’t want to quarrel… you have to hold in your feelings, and you have to laugh even when you don’t want to… and it’s over once you quarrel… you just have to give up on this friend and go make another one. Do you want this thin ice-like relationship…?”

also Will say something similar in Chapter7 remember

[allfictions]

Hmmm...

People, let's compare please. Bear with me, I think I'm onto something.

Spoiler for Othinus, NT9:

“This world was not pure and untouched to begin with. Christian, Buddhist, Celtic, Indian, Shinto, Incan, Aztec, Greek, Roman…and Norse. The various religions have placed layer after layer of various phases over the world like thin veils or filters. There is heaven, hell, the underworld, the Pure Land, Yomi, the abyss, Mount Olympus, the fairy island, Nirai Kanai, Asgard, and many others. At any rate, the world you have seen so far has been viewed through various colors of cellophane.”

Spoiler for NT8 fake spoilers:

>According to Othinus, people’s “recognition” aka the “era” has repeatedly destroyed and remade the world. As a result, the layer realm and foundation supporting the world have grown distorted
>The stimulus to the world provided by natural espers was a good “medicinal herb” to incite progress, but the stimulus caused by the appearance of magic after that did great damage to the world
>Magic which is drawn from a different layer was enough to rapidly change the world, but the AIM fields of AC’s artificial espers advanced the damage even further
>In that world that is distorted by the thoughts of those viewing it, the reality of the espers bringing changes from the micro world into the macro world is eroding the world.

It's not the exact same thing (for example, where do you put Espers?), but it has enough similarities to make one ask: was the leaker Kamachi trolling us!?