2007-01-18, 15:13 | Link #381 | |
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I gave the example of Kakashi using MS at the beginning mainly to say that his decision of not using MS has been highly affected by the group and plan he was a part of (I have most probably meant a few other things...). If I explained it correctly previously, my main point was to show that Kakashi's performance in that fight against Kakuzu does not actually represent his performance in a one on one fight. And, that part of the fight, his decision process there, supports that; he was limited by the group he is a part of. And, his decision of not using MS, does not tell he cannot use MS when he was having a one on one fight. And, if that plan would have allowed Kakashi to use MS at the beginning, and if he would have gotten rid of an Akatsuki member easily, in one attack, the perception of strength would have been highly different. And, if you remove that emotional plan out of the picture, it can become a different fight from the beginning to the end. That means a possible win for Kakashi, unlike the Konohamaru vs Jiraiya scenario. Quote:
Also, just like Shika made sure Kakuzu was being idle, saving that chuunins also made sure that Kakashi was forced to stay limited in action. Quote:
And, regardless of your perception of the word fast, Kakashi didn't say too fast, and in his powerless condition, may not mean something to over exaggerate. |
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2007-01-18, 16:38 | Link #384 |
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How much time has transpired since Shikimaru took Hidan away from the fight with the others?
Oh, and why does everyone think that Danzou is so badass? He was a canidate for Hokage when the third went up for it. It is only logical to assume that age has had the same effects on him that it had on the third. Danzou may have been a power player in the past, but I don't think an old timer like that would be good for Hokage in current times. |
2007-01-18, 17:11 | Link #385 |
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Errr, I was kidding when I said Danzou for Hokage.
When the 3rd died, the advisors didn't ask him, but if he was that good, he could have taken action. That was definitely the best time for him : rival dead and village damaged because of the softness of his rival (who didn't kill Oro when he should have 10 years earlier). If he didn't, it is either because he doesn't have the strength to back him up anymore or because he is calmed now. But in that case, I just don't understand why he gave Oro real infos (at least, about Yamato) if his target was simply Sasuke. Anyways, I don't think he'll be a major player. At worst, if he makes his coup, it will be shortly before Konoha is invaded and he'll get crushed and saved by [insert here the name of the 6th hokage]. He is just there to add some spices. |
2007-01-18, 18:37 | Link #387 | |
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I like how Kishimoto shows Shikamaru's "level up", i think this is the process in which real jounin are born. Shikamaru also demonstrated that his taijutsu is quite good, he could keep up with Hidan's movements when Hidan was not bound by the shadow, also he was fast enough to catch 2 akatsukians. We didn't see any genjutsu moves from him, but i'm sure he is quite good at dispelling such attacks. The only thing i don't like about bloodline guys is that they never use normal jutsu, i mean Shika or Neji should use an elemental or summoning jutsu sometimes. |
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2007-01-18, 18:38 | Link #388 | |
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2007-01-18, 21:32 | Link #390 |
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Their words have weight, but I don't know if they're the ones who decide per se. I mean the words they used when asking Jiraiya were to the effect of "the village has decided" or "the village is asking you" or something like that. So there's probably still some kind of council, but they're near the top, the top being the hokage that the rest of the council chooses. Kind of like Cardinals and the Pope (maybe?).
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2007-01-18, 22:17 | Link #391 | |
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Hidan showed great taijutsu on par with asuma, dodged his opponents attacks pretty easily in general, Na i blame shika's planning and understanding his opponent. |
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2007-01-19, 02:32 | Link #393 | |
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Also as we saw Hidan was not so sure to survive the explosion of all those tags, otherwise he would simply trigger the explosion so that Shikamaru is killed by his own explosive while Hidan simply walks away. Remember how strong the explosive tags can be: the 3rd hokage blow of the legs of both the 1st and 2nd hokages with just one explosive tag. When Asuma cut off his head we saw how weak Hidan is, it was a shame for him when they met up with akatsuki and Kakuzu told the story to the others |
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2007-01-19, 07:40 | Link #396 |
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Shika is officially the badass batman of naruto, that was an awesome ending just hope hidan stays dead which i doubt, but if he does return it better be in this fight but i guess if he does return that means he can be defeated by the rest of the team cos i guess shika has gotten his slight moment of revenge
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2007-01-21, 10:15 | Link #398 | |||||
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Before Kakuzu revealed himself to have 5 heart Kakashi was going to behead Hidan with a 2nd Raikiri and that would have been it. Shika taking Hidan by himself while Kakashi & co were taking care of Kakuzu was only the 3rd or 4th backup plan. Hence Shika's plan didn't stop Kakashi in anyway to take care of both Kakuzu and Hidan and didn't force Kakashi to choose a jutsu instead of an other one better suited for the situation. And in this case Kakashi's decision not to use the MS at the beginning of the fight has nothing to do with Shika's emotion. Quote:
There is only one example of Kakashi forced to stop a jutsu instead of avoiding it because of the group (and this example shows off Kakazu's jutsu power), all the other shows Kakashi barely avoiding the attacks or unable to stop them and being caught because of that. Which without Shika, Naruto and Yamato's help would have meant his death. Quote:
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Only then you can make up reason for Kakashi being unable to deal with Kakazu's tentacle speed but it doesn't change that at this point Kakuzu's attacks were too fast for Kakashi. All in all the fact is that if you think the story was presenting Kakuzu and Kakashi as equaly powerful ninja with Kakashi being handicapped because of the situation (the situation because they outnumber and ambushed Kakuzu and Hidan) then we are not reading the same story. |
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Also, how would I know if Shikamaru's plan didn't stop Kakashi taking care of Hidan? Raikiri may not have been enough to kill Hidan, we all know that. And, considering the spoilers related to the future chapter, Hidan was not meant to be eliminated by Kakashi. Quote:
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2007-01-27, 13:46 | Link #400 | |||||
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Hmm I know I'm a little late but I don't have much time to post more than one-liner posts during the week lately. Duty come first :P
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Come on, you can do better than that. Kakashi took some of Kakuzu's blood because that was part of the plan. It might not have been usefull, just like digging the hole and placing the explosive tags could have been useless depending of how the fight happened, but it was the plan and once Kakuzu was believed dead it's not like they had the time to seek someone's else blood anyway. Kakashi tried to kill him with a Raikiri, thought he succeeded and tried then to take down Hidan with the same jutsu. Kakashi trying to kill Kakazu with the MS and then trying it on Hidan if the first shot had succeeded make absolutely no difference if he was able to aim and warp his target easily. The fact is that Kakashin, following Shika's plan, tried to kill them both. Which completely contradict your point that it's "pretty obvious, he[Kakashi] could have used it[MS] with perfect success against Akatsuki members that were captured by Shikamaru's shadow jutsu." but didn't do it because of Shika's plan. So again you have showed nothing implying that using the Raikiri instead of MS is related to any kind of emotion. Quote:
Just like everybody on the team was meant to take some blood from Kakuzu if they had the chance, Hidan was meant to be eliminated by Kakashi if that was possible. Quote:
It's not that Kakuzu is forced to move to attack, it's just that he can move and pretty fast at that. In this case using the MS becomes a liability because a miss would most probably mean Kakashi's death -especially without backup in fact. Quote:
Things like "Kakashi knew that his Raikiri wouldn't kill Kakuzu" and "Kakashi wasn't meant to disable Hidan when he charged him with a Raikiri" etc. aren't within boundaries of the storyline, they are contradicting what character did, thought and said. Quote:
Kakuzu didn't trick Kakashi, he didn't take him by surprise or from behind. They were facing each other, the tentacles came toward Kakashi and he get caught before he could move. At this point yeah you are to assume that Kakuzu's tentacles were extremely fast compared to Kakashi. |
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