Valkyria Chronicles - Episode 20 Discussion / Poll

[Sassarai]

Originally Posted by Father Hentai

1.) Reading ancient lores gives informations on this and as he studies the valkyian history he may have read through all these things.

For something that big and important to the story, you would think they would of shown it in the anime instead of having the "may of read". This implied knowledge defense is pretty weak imo.

[Father Hentai]

Originally Posted by Sassarai

For something that big and important to the story, you would think they would of shown it in the anime instead of having the "may of read". This implied knowledge defense is pretty weak imo.

Well, weak is better than nothing. At least this is something where he could have his assumption. I'll rewatch some episodes and maybe I find some more details.

[Joe_fh]

I have one question for you guys: does the bettle end in this episode? I'm wondering if I should watch it or wait for the next one to come out so I'd get a more complete picture

[Father Hentai]

Originally Posted by Joe_fh

I have one question for you guys: does the bettle end in this episode? I'm wondering if I should watch it or wait for the next one to come out so I'd get a more complete picture

Watch yourself But yes, the battle ends but the war continues. I would rather suggest to watch just to have it seen complete

[don_Durandal]

Originally Posted by Father Hentai

Reading ancient lores

...doesn't help at all.
At the risk of repeating myself, everything that is known about the valkyrurs is what they themselves fabricated. The ruins is the only place where truth is written.
All the rest is just folklore and/or fabricated.

At the risk of revealing a major story spoiler...

Spoiler for history of the valkyrur:

Everything you have been told is a lie.

Well it's not that much a problem if we admit suspension of disbelief. The point however remains that the anime staff gave Faldio knowledge which he couldn't have gotten after the plot got changed. He knows stuff that is common knowledge amongst us watchers of the show (thanks to the game spoiling it) but which the characters in the show can't know.

[tieria.erde]

what a load of cr@p i'm watching in this series? the heroine irks me, the male lead is spineless and triangle-guy is a moron. and they like killing off the characters i'm looking forward to watch.

dropped!

can't take this train-wreck anymore

[Sassarai]

Originally Posted by tieria.erde

what a load of cr@p i'm watching in this series? the heroine irks me, the male lead is spineless and triangle-guy is a moron. and they like killing off the characters i'm looking forward to watch.

dropped!

can't take this train-wreck anymore

I dunno how you can say that while liking a guy like tieria erde o_O. That guy was more emo than anyone in VC.

[Tak]

Originally Posted by Father Hentai

He already thinks of her as a descendant of Valkyrie for a few episodes ago. But this is the point where he takes the risks and shoots

You are not reading what we are saying clearly at all. All we are saying, is that this episode had presented to us, in the worst way, of Faldio's intentions (whatever it is at this point) of shooting Alicia from behind. In the game, he took a careful calculation. In the anime, there is none of that, he just shot her, point blank, with intentions to kill.

- Tak

[tieria.erde]

@Sassarai- lol gundam 00 is a completely different anime from this one - epic level is so high that i shouldnt be even comparing with this anime and its characters.

my problem is i dont dislike welkin - he's a likable character but he's spineless. faldio is someone, as i see here, no one likes and fortunately i fall in to this greater mass this time. and alicia is one of those female lead that just doesnt rock my boat. i tried and she was really good when she had funny expressions but now with all the romantic emoness, it's just annoying.

as for tieria, he's probably the greatest male emo anime character out there who's loved (and respected!) for the things he has done and achieved in the end (based on his emoness) and thankfully, i fall in to that mass as well

i dont see this anime surviving from heavy criticisms. it already appears more people here watch it to trash it anyways. something to rant about.

it's an alright-type anime that i can pass (it's tough competition in achieving like-ness from audience when this season got FMA Brotherhood as well which is all about emoness of brotherly love and yet it never fails to score highest!)

[Tak]

Originally Posted by Sassarai

I dunno how you can say that while liking a guy like tieria erde o_O. That guy was more emo than anyone in VC.

Hey, at least its not Shinn Asuka.

Originally Posted by tieria.erde

@Sassarai- lol gundam 00 is a completely different anime from this one - epic level is so high that i shouldnt be even comparing with this anime and its characters... snip~

While the characterization of VC isn't the best, I find it difficult to hold 00 at a much higher standard myself. Personally, there were few likable characters for me. The only two characters I cheered for the entire show were the super soldier couple, especially Soma/Maria.

And to a lesser extent, Katie.

- Tak

[Sassarai]

Oh I agree that Gundam00 is a better series than VC (although season 2 was kind of Zzzz at times). I just find the characters in VC more likable than Tieria though (except Fabio maybe). The guy had some kind of man crush on Lockon and beat up Setsuna for no reason over it. Did I mention he wore a dress and why does he always seems so angry for no reason? I thought his ending was pretty silly -_- but than again the whole innovators thing was silly to me.

Originally Posted by Tak

Hey, at least its not Shinn Asuka.


- Tak

Ahh yes, probably the main reason why GSD failed!

[tieria.erde]

Originally Posted by Tak

Hey, at least its not Shinn Asuka.



While the characterization of VC isn't the best, I find it difficult to hold 00 at a much higher standard myself. Personally, there were few likable characters for me. The only two characters I cheered for the entire show were the super soldier couple, especially Soma/Maria.

And to a lesser extent, Katie.

- Tak

Well in that case, I'd say we differ severely in our taste of selecting epicness.

this anime has fewer posts in animesuki. a clear indication of people not liking it and dropping it. fortunately i'm in this greater mass as well!

hey, even one of the leading subbers say "lets get this sh!t completed"

anyways, im dropping it and i see no reason why i should be following it - just because some of its fans dont like tieria XD

Originally Posted by Sassarai

Oh I agree that Gundam00 is a better series than VC (although season 2 was kind of Zzzz at times). I just find the characters in VC more likable than Tieria though (except Fabio maybe). The guy had some kind of man crush on Lockon and beat up Setsuna for no reason over it. Did I mention he wore a dress and why does he always seems so angry for no reason? I thought his ending was pretty silly -_- but than again the whole innovators thing was silly to me.



Ahh yes, probably the main reason why GSD failed!

are you having anything against homo-homo people?

good grief! why am i discussing tieria in a valkyria thread!!!

[Runty]

Got to have a look at the episode today. Jeez, talk about a fall from grace for Faldio.

Spoiler for Episode 20, subbed:

• Sounds like Maximilian's campaign is starting to go up in smoke due to politics. The Emperor doesn't seem to think Gallia is worth invading, cost-wise. Max has a month left to take Gallia before he's relieved of his command.
• Ramal gets more than a little focus in this episode, still brooding over Isara's death. I have to say, despite not being in the game, Ramal fit well into the anime, right up to his death. And the way he died, I expected him to go out like that: killed by Selvaria while protecting Faldio. R.I.P. Ramal.
• The way Jaeger puts it, the Naggiar Campaign sounds like a really risky move by Maximilian. But then again, he probably doesn't have much of a choice now. Speaking of Jaeger, it was cool to see his personal tank, the Lupus, with Johann at the controls.
• I thought it was good that Faldio chose to try and avoid using Alicia's Valkyrur powers at first. That was a show that he wanted to try and do things as they'd been doing throughout the war.
• So Cordelia wants to do her part in all this by inspiring the troops? I guess that's one way to go about it, but I have a feeling that her choice will end up having dire consequences in the long run.
• Damon is still being an idiot holding back Squad Seven, though in a sense his choice was a fortunate one for the Sevens. They didn't end up being obliterated by Selvaria and Maximilian like Squad One did.
• I'm getting the idea that the Marmota isn't going to exist in the anime. No real place for it. Oh well, the Batomys will suffice.
• Two words: Selvaria pwned.
• One thing's for sure: I'm not going to miss Cezary. I hate that douchebag.
• Now comes Faldio's fall from grace. His Squad is gone. He's the only survivor against a god-like Selvaria. He sees no other way to save Gallia than Alicia. So he takes the risk. That was a splendid show of how war can break a man, even one like Faldio Landzaat.

This was a good episode, featuring lots of combat and of Selvaria kicking ass. Too bad about Ramal, though.

In relation to the argument as to what Faldio did at the end of the episode:

Spoiler for My opinion:

I honestly think Faldio should've explained his intentions to Alicia first before shooting her. Let her think about the facts before having such a fate thrust upon her.

But then again, Alicia might not have believed Faldio. And in any case, Faldio was pretty much shell-shocked by the loss of his squad, especially Ramal. When he shot Alicia, he definitely wasn't thinking straight.

Either way, we'll find out the consequences of his actions soon enough.

Spoiler for Next episode:

• Squad Seven looks pretty shocked at the news of Alicia being shot. At least, I'm assuming that's what's going on.
• Damon's getting pretty desperate now, trying to get Cordelia to do what Selvaria is doing. Will she? I doubt it.
• I wonder what has Maximilian so pissed off...
• Looks like Captain Varrot is the first one to arrive on the scene where Faldio commits his crime. Looks like Faldio gets whaled on for what he did.
• Yay, Fina's here to stay!
• More Selvaria ass-kicking. I hope none of the Sevens die (especially Marina).

[Joe_fh]

Originally Posted by Father Hentai

Watch yourself But yes, the battle ends but the war continues. I would rather suggest to watch just to have it seen complete

Thanks^^ I don't really like it when an event is torn into two parts since I like to watch it one go....usually

When it first started I liked it's WWI-II touch it had. Also it looked like it would involve a certain degree of strategy and stuff like that...but well it lost that point obviously.
I'm watching this to see how it will end.It started out as a really interesting anime but lost it's momentum quite early. Still it ain't that bad...at leas it gives a nice topic to discuss. And Gundam 00...it was a lot different so you can't really compare them.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Originally Posted by Tak

You are not reading what we are saying clearly at all. All we are saying, is that this episode had presented to us, in the worst way, of Faldio's intentions (whatever it is at this point) of shooting Alicia from behind. In the game, he took a careful calculation. In the anime, there is none of that, he just shot her, point blank, with intentions to kill.

- Tak

In the game it was a shot to the shoulder I think. This one was right through the heart

Everyone will say - it's all right Faldio, shooting comrades in the back when you are sad is perfectly understandable - we all do that to relieve stress. And now instead of dead soldier we have a brand new valkyrie. You are are a fucking hero, Faldio! You need a bloody medal now!

No it won't.

WHen I meant wiggle out I meant him being able to act covertly without any suspcision until the time is right.

In this case he can't and he's going to have to be near Alicia to give her the necessary weapons to activate her.

They're following the game now, Faldio ain't pulling out of this one that easily.

[Tak]

Originally Posted by tieria.erde

Well in that case, I'd say we differ severely in our taste of selecting epicness.

Actually, I am only mentioning the likability of characters, not the story, where Gundam 00 is certainly more interesting to me.

But I understand that 00 is plot-driven rather than character driven and therefore I cannot say I completely agree with your assessment that characterization of 00 should be placed at that much of a higher standard.

Originally Posted by tieria.erde

this anime has fewer posts in animesuki. a clear indication of people not liking it and dropping it. fortunately i'm in this greater mass as well!

I don't see what that has to do with our personal tastes. A lot of people seen Titanic, does not mean it wasn't pure crap.

- Tak

[tieria.erde]

Originally Posted by Tak

Actually, I am only mentioning the likability of characters, not the story, where Gundam 00 is certainly more interesting to me.

But I understand that 00 is plot-driven rather than character driven and therefore I cannot say I completely agree with your assessment that characterization of 00 should be placed at that much of a higher standard.

- Tak

Dear Tak, are you saying Valkyria characters have more depth than Gundam 00 characters?

I am SHOCKED!

[Tak]

Originally Posted by tieria.erde

Dear Tak, are you saying Valkyria characters have more depth than Gundam 00 characters?

I am SHOCKED!

Dear Tieria, I suggest you read my post again.

Nowhere did I say VC characters have more depth than 00, however, I am not going to hold 00's characters in a higher standard.

- Tak

[Sassarai]

Originally Posted by tieria.erde

anyways, im dropping it and i see no reason why i should be following it - just because some its fans dont like tieria XD




are you having anything against homo-homo people?

good grief! why am i discussing tieria in a valkyria thread!!!

Oh I don't think anyone cares if you're dropping a series or not. I was just surprised that you can like a character like Tieria but hate on the ones in VC o_O.

I have nothing against homos my best friends are homo j/k. Nahh I didn't even know he prefers the same sex. I thought he just likes to cross dress.

[tieria.erde]

Originally Posted by Sassarai

Oh I don't think anyone cares if you're dropping a series or not. I was just surprised that you can like a character like Tieria but hate on the ones in VC o_O.

if you didnt care then you shouldnt have come up with a theory that aligns a far superior, award winning, poll-topping, popular (emo) gundam 00 character with valkyria ones who have no depth of personal stories or standard (isara had but she's dead). EVERYONE in gundam 00 are emotional but ALL four major characters (and even side characters) had far more stronger stories compare to valkyria. in fact, this anime is just so cheap in story-telling, i dont see why i should be even thinking to compare with gundam 00. i said all of this because you raised it.