Danganronpa - Episode 6 Discussion / Poll

[Klashikari]

Originally Posted by Sute443

And there might be even better proof that someone besides Fujisaki is responsible for Alter-Ego: What floor is that particular changing room on? The door is different from the one to the sauna Oowada and Ishimaru battled in, and they treated the revelation of there being no security cameras like a new thing, so it seems possible that it could be on the newly-opened third floor. If that's the case, then the kidnappers are definitely behind Alter-Ego, because the third floor was closed until after Fujisaki died. It would have been impossible for him to set it up like that.

First floor, in front of the canteen. The bathroom also has the sauna annexed to the back of the room.
This is also why Kyouko told Alter Ego to scream if Hifumi or Kyotaka were to take the laptop (the anime also forgot the mention that she asked AE to scream if it is someone it doesn't recognize), because it is on the same floor than the dorm rooms and she left the door of her room open on purpose to act should something weird happen.

[Sute443]

Oh. Well, that settles that part, then.

[White Manju Bun]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

Wow... that would mean Yamada loves Celes so much that he'd not only forgive her for killing him but that he'd even try to help her get away with killing him.

Im thinking if Celes is behind this she didn't let on to Yamada that she was going to kill him. I thinking she probably just told him if someone asks who did this, say Shaman Guy.

[Dengar]

Originally Posted by Sute443

If Fujisaki programmed Alter-Ego, where did he get enough voice samples of Oowada to construct the message for Ishimaru? Seems to me that something like Fujisaki deliberately collecting voice samples would have been worth mentioning, but it wasn't. But the kidnappers would have plenty of voice samples, since they have all the video cameras.

If your willing suspension of disbelief is faltering because something like this, I wonder how much longer it's going to last.

[Sute443]

Originally Posted by Dengar

If your willing suspension of disbelief is faltering because something like this, I wonder how much longer it's going to last.

Oh, my willing suspension of disbelief is already broken. It's quite fragile when it comes to mysteries. Still enjoying the show, though. I've found that not believing that Fujisaki made Alter-Ego is more fun than thinking that he did.

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by Sute443

Oh, my willing suspension of disbelief is already broken. It's quite fragile when it comes to mysteries. Still enjoying the show, though. I've found that not believing that Fujisaki made Alter-Ego is more fun than thinking that he did.

...Well, now that's an interesting thought!

[jeroz]

well...He was seen tampering the laptop moments before his death anyway, (with the help of those toolsets :P)

I get it now! Fujisaki is the mastermind!

[AC-Phoenix]

Originally Posted by jeroz

well...He was seen tampering the laptop moments before his death anyway, (with the help of those toolsets :P)

I get it now! Fujisaki is the mastermind!

You shouldn't take time that passes by between the murders too literal; I think there are at least 3 days in between where that scene would be and the murder. Forgot how much time has passed at that poin in total so I can't tell...
But now maybe 2 weeks?

[Jan-Poo]

Well Celes this time is so suspicious that she might as well be another red herring.

The murder this time is quite convoluted and needlessly complicated, why killing two people anyway? A lot of things can be explained if Yamada is an accomplice and that therefore was killed by the mastermind, but the question is why would Yamada become an accomplice in the first place considering that, as far as he knows, he would have died anyway if the culprit wasn't found.

Anyway considering that we see Yamada still talking after he was found in the art room and considering that Monokuma made a second corpse discovery announcement after he passed away on Asahina's lap I think it's fairly certain that he wasn't dead at all the first time that he was found, so he probably moved by himself.

The problem is Ishimaru's corpse (assuming he was dead, but he should be if Monokuma wasn't trolling, which I wouldn't bet my money on), I don't quite understand what kind of time frame would allow someone to get him and move him, nor do I fully understand the layout or if there are secret passages.

Where is Kirigiri anyway and where is Hagakure? Where could they be hiding? And why would they hide?

[Sute443]

I wonder if Hagakure is even still alive... Each individual murderer may only be able to kill two people, but if two killers (Celes and Yamada) were working together, would they be allowed to kill more? Do the rules even establish what happens if more than one killer is active at once? Would the first murder take priority, or would the first discovered body?

[Klashikari]

Following Monokuma wording, each culprit would be able to kill 2 people at most.
Assuming there are Culprit A and Culprit B, there might be 4 victims at a given time.

[Jan-Poo]

Originally Posted by Sute443

I wonder if Hagakure is even still alive... Each individual murderer may only be able to kill two people, but if two killers (Celes and Yamada) were working together, would they be allowed to kill more? Do the rules even establish what happens if more than one killer is active at once? Would the first murder take priority, or would the first discovered body?

That's an interesting question, and what's mostly relevant is how the trial would work afterward.

Will there be just one trial for both (or more) crimes or will they be separated?

I think that logically they should be separated and whoever killed first will be judged first. If not there should be an option to vote for more than one culprit at the end of the trial, but that option was never mentioned to exist, (unless they skipped it in the anime).


If two crimes and respective trials can happen at the same time that would mean cooperation between two culprits (each assisting the other) is possible, but without a proper confirmation from Monokuma who would want to take that risk?

[ThereminVox]

I forgot to mention earlier that the best part of this episode is how blase everyone is about the fact that they have a highly efficient serial killer amongst them, and that she is openly and unapologetically fixing to slay Togami. The juxtaposition of everyone's wild-eyed horror at any and all violence, and their utter indifference to her unsubtle preparations to execute him is delightfully absurd.

[White Manju Bun]

Originally Posted by ThereminVox

I forgot to mention earlier that the best part of this episode is how blase everyone is about the fact that they have a highly efficient serial killer amongst them, and that she is openly and unapologetically fixing to slay Togami. The juxtaposition of everyone's wild-eyed horror at any and all violence, and their utter indifference to her unsubtle preparations to execute him is delightfully absurd.

But thats the idea (and it is funny), her type of victim is Togami, she's not gonna break her pattern just because she's given the opportunity. Really out of everyone, shes the one they all don't need to worry about, even Togami

[GreyZone]

It seems she also does not intend to die. She would only murder using her pattern, but that would give her away easily (the pattern can be used by others to blame her though). She would immidietly become the prime suspect, even more than Naegi was suspected in the 1st trial of the series.

[Marina2]

Alive/unconfirmed death Character Tier


--------------------Don't-mess-with-me Tier------------------

Sakura
Genocider Shou


--------------------------Hard target Tier------------------------------
Kirigiri
Togami
Celes

-----------------------Easy target Tier--------------------------
Naegi
Asahina (Maybe on "hard target tier" because of Sakura's protection)

-------------------------Joke Tier-------------------------------
Hagakure

[Dengar]

I don't think that really affects the odds of any of them becoming the next victim though. Should the next killer pick one of the harder targets, it'll just mean they need to be more careful.

[Anh_Minh]

And there's also the fact that the victim won't investigate their own murder, obviously, so killing one of the smarter ones may be a good idea;..

[hamazura]

double killing kirigiri + togami = instant win

[Marina2]

It actually effect many ways.

1. Smarter target is harder to get tricked.
2. Stronger target is harder to get killed.

If a strong or smart person get killed by someone, you can easily narrow the number of person who could be a culpit.

For example: A Smart person probably won't fall into a trap like a paper with message "hey, can you come to my room alone at night, I have something to talk with you" (like Maizano message to Leon) BUT if a culpit somehow manage to trick the smart victim, a culpit must be equally skilled/smart person).