[Game] Umineko no Naku Koro ni - Translation Project

[Vylen]

It's a doujin of a doujin franchise... At least, you can certainly think of it that way.

Bringing these spanish guys into question should also bring the doujin creators from japan into question - they obviously wouldn't pass everything by Ryuukishi, and they make some sort of profit.

And, as much as they have non-creative parts, they still have their own character designs and whatnot. Seems like there's some nitpicking going on just to "vilify" them in some way.

Just my 2c.

[Klashikari]

A reminder: As long as people do not present "Umineko's story" modified by any means, it is fine.
In fact, 07th expansion never raised any objection towards fan made material, as long as they take responsibility for it (copyright etc).

The only problem -I- could have here is if they use any of the original BGM, opening, ending or inserted songs, assuming they are selling it or not putting the copyright to their respective composers.

That's all for it. Let's drop this subject altogether, as it really doesn't have anything to do with us or 07th expansion at all (and none of you have the right or position to accuse or defend them).

[CrimsonMoonMist]

Is Ougon ever going to be translated?
it's got a lot of conversations for character specific teams and match-ups
and I'd also like to know what the endings are about.

[Vylen]

Maybe? There's a convenient folder in the game installation called STORY .... I wonder what that is ... As for the individual files, whether they're easily readable/editable?

That is to say, iirc, someone on the team said the translation of Ougon is dependent on whether or not its technically possible?

[xBTAx]

Caught another 1-4 problem, but in the 2nd game this time. It's likely that you've already caught it, but just to be sure...

Spoiler:

That should be "too good", not "to good".

[Impossible]

Normally I just ignore any typos/errors I see, as I figure they've probably been pointed out by others already, and will be fixed in a future patch. (Though I did e-mail a bunch of corrections for Ep 1 a while ago, I couldn't be bothered for Ep 2 because there were so many and the translation for it still needs to be fixed up anyway.) This, however, is an unacceptable butchering of language, and I will not stand for it.

Spoiler for Episode 7:

[Sonozaki Futagotachi]

Originally Posted by Impossible

Normally I just ignore any typos/errors I see, as I figure they've probably been pointed out by others already, and will be fixed in a future patch. (Though I did e-mail a bunch of corrections for Ep 1 a while ago, I couldn't be bothered for Ep 2 because there were so many and the translation for it still needs to be fixed up anyway.) This, however, is an unacceptable butchering of language, and I will not stand for it.

Spoiler for Episode 7:

Spoiler:

"I could care less" is an idiomatic expression that means the same thing as "I couldn't care less"; even if it seems illogical, it is still a valid saying in English.

This isn't the only cliche that doesn't stand up to logical scrutiny - how about "head over heels in love"? Isn't "head over heels" the normal human condition, nothing special? Yet it gets used, while "heels over head in love" ends up sounding wrong to native English speakers.

In any case, no reason to pull out the torches & pitchforks, folks

[Impossible]

Originally Posted by Sonozaki Futagotachi

Spoiler:

"I could care less" is an idiomatic expression that means the same thing as "I couldn't care less"; even if it seems illogical, it is still a valid saying in English.

This isn't the only cliche that doesn't stand up to logical scrutiny - how about "head over heels in love"? Isn't "head over heels" the normal human condition, nothing special? Yet it gets used, while "heels over head in love" ends up sounding wrong to native English speakers.

In any case, no reason to pull out the torches & pitchforks, folks

Spoiler:

The difference is that "could care less" is an accidental butchering of an existing phrase, "couldn't care less", that means the exact opposite of what the person using it is trying to say. "Could care less" is not a cliche or even commonly used (it developed solely in America, and in the last 50 years), it's a mistake based on something else.

In Google, "Couldn't care less" gives 8.32 million results. "Could care less" gives 1.68 million, and most of the early ones are specifically pointing out the fact that it's a nonsensical mistake and explaining the correct usage.

Also, falling head over heels refers to actually flipping upside-down, and does make sense derived from that. Even if it were a corruption of another phrase, it would be one that's been out of usage for hundreds of years. It's not a corruption of an idiom that is still in usage, and is far more common and actually says what it's supposed to say. Particularly as the alternative makes sense to all the players in countries that haven't adopted the stupid version. There's no reason not to fix it.

[Jan-Poo]

I think you are being too much grammar nazi considering this a dialog and not a narration.

It's as if you asked to change "Will do" or "No can do", because the correct English form requires a subject and an object.

Those are things that people commonly say in their everyday life, they are wrong, but it's not unusual to hear them. So the dictionaries correctly show both forms.

To sum it up:

It's a narration or description: you must definitely write it in a correct English.
It's a dialog: Idiomatic expressions are acceptable.

[Message]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

It's a narration or description: you must definitely write it in a correct English.
It's a dialog: Idiomatic expressions are acceptable.

While you make a good point, a lot of people (see google top results, as mentioned) will find 'could care less' to be extremely jarring. So unless for whatever reason the speaker's intention is to make his discussion partners cringe, I believe 'could care less' should probably not be used.

[Vylen]

I think the easiest way to settle this is for either someone on the WH team to come along and say "Ah, yes you're right" or, for someone to dig up the original Japanese and give a translation.

[Jan-Poo]

Originally Posted by Message

While you make a good point, a lot of people (see google top results, as mentioned) will find 'could care less' to be extremely jarring. So unless for whatever reason the speaker's intention is to make his discussion partners cringe, I believe 'could care less' should probably not be used.

Well you and impossible are probably right. If there is no reason to keep this in a corrupted from and if it's so jarring, then it's probably better to change it. It's up to WH to decide anyway.

[Miss Mystery]

Originally Posted by Kylon99

I posted this last time when EP7 was about to come out, but I thought I should post it again for EP8.

I use Translation Aggregator to lift the text out of Umineko and do instant dictionary look-ups. This can be a pretty good aid for people who have some basic understanding of Japanese grammar, but lack the vocabulary. People use these tools to run the text through automatic translators, although I wouldn't recommend that.

Note: Hongfire pages may not be safe for work, or at least their ads. At the very least you may get strange stares from co-workers or family; just get in and out quickly. 8)


Translation Aggregator (It comes with AGTH already)
http://www.hongfire.com/forum/attach...hmentid=175026

If you want to read the details on it's this thread: http://www.hongfire.com/forum/showthread.php?t=94395

You will also need the EDICT dictionary
http://ftp.monash.edu.au/pub/nihongo/edict2.gz <-- Save As to <Where you stuck TA>\dictionaries

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Spoiler for How to hook up Umineko to Translation Aggregator:

Step 1. Unzip everything in the Translation Aggregator into a director. Say.. <My Documents>\TA. Save that edict2.gz into <My Documents>\TA\dictionaries. Launch Translation Aggregator.exe. It should start up like this:

Spoiler for Startup:

Step 2. I recommend getting rid of everything except for JParser. If you're interested in hilarious inaccurate translations, try putting up Google and Honyaku, but be aware that you're probably going to be misled if you depend on them. Fool around with the fonts and the other options and make it look how you want.

Spoiler for With just JParser:

Step 3. Making it launch Umineko. I will use EP7 as a demonstration, but you'll have to redo these steps for when Umineko EP8 comes out. Go to Tools -> Launch Text Hooker and set it up like this:

Spoiler for Launch Setup:

Notice I've pressed the "..." button and gave it my Umineko EXE. No real other changes need to be made though. When you hit OK, it will launch Umineko and AGTH.


Step 4. Start playing the game and let some Japanese text appear on the screen. AGTH should be able to read the text and you'll see the text appear in its window. If it doesn't, click the drop down box there and select some of the other TextOutA windows and see if it contains the right text from the game. Like this:

Spoiler for Try another window in AGTH:

Translation Aggregator should read from AGTH (or in actuality the clipboard) and JParser should parse up the sentence. Mouse over stuff you don't know, like this:

Spoiler for Translation Aggregator:

Step 5. Play Umineko normally, but in Japanese. When you want to come back to the game, don't start Umineko directly, start Translation Aggregator. Go back into Tools -> Launch Text Hooker. You'll see that there's an entry under Profile Name for Umineko 7 now; use that and press OK to get back into the game.


And that should be it... for now.

Thanks so much for this! I'm slowly (but understanding everything now) getting through EP8. ^_^

[witchfan]

Originally Posted by Impossible

Spoiler:

The difference is that "could care less" is an accidental butchering of an existing phrase, "couldn't care less", that means the exact opposite of what the person using it is trying to say. "Could care less" is not a cliche or even commonly used (it developed solely in America, and in the last 50 years), it's a mistake based on something else.

In Google, "Couldn't care less" gives 8.32 million results. "Could care less" gives 1.68 million, and most of the early ones are specifically pointing out the fact that it's a nonsensical mistake and explaining the correct usage.

Also, falling head over heels refers to actually flipping upside-down, and does make sense derived from that. Even if it were a corruption of another phrase, it would be one that's been out of usage for hundreds of years. It's not a corruption of an idiom that is still in usage, and is far more common and actually says what it's supposed to say. Particularly as the alternative makes sense to all the players in countries that haven't adopted the stupid version. There's no reason not to fix it.

Both "could care less" and "couldn't care less" don't stand up to logical scrutiny. For example, you can read "couldn't care less" as "I care to the highest degree, and could not care less".

By the way, ever heard of Crestfallen Studios?

[rogerpepitone]

I heard that "I could care less" is from "I could care less, but not much."

[Impossible]

I can't believe I started such a big discussion on this. >_>

Originally Posted by witchfan

Both "could care less" and "couldn't care less" don't stand up to logical scrutiny. For example, you can read "couldn't care less" as "I care to the highest degree, and could not care less".

You could, but it wouldn't make much sense, and regardless, the phrase stands up to scrutiny just fine unless you try to alter the meaning. It's supposed to mean that it's not possible to care less.

"Could care less" is a corruption of "couldn't care less" and not an idiom that developed on its own with an alternative implied context.

By the way, ever heard of Crestfallen Studios?

Yes. Do I know you? >_>

[witchfan]

Well... I don't think you could say about any idiom that it developed on its own. The reason we read "I couldn't care less" as we do is because we're accustomed to it. Which is why I don't have a problem with "I could care less"; yes, it's a corruption, but if you think about it, most idioms are. But anyway, yeah, I think we're going off-topic here... let's leave this matter to the experts.

About Crestfallen Studios, nah, you don't. I've been reading that board for years and I just recognized your name (you made a post about Umineko there a while back, too). But I'm a lurker so I never actually posted anything. Glad to see I guessed right.

[ghost_zero5]

Is Witch Hunt also going to translate Tsubasa or only Ep 8?

[TsundereCake]

Originally Posted by ghost_zero5

Is Witch Hunt also going to translate Tsubasa or only Ep 8?

*sigh* This question again? Really, people?

[Judoh]

Originally Posted by ghost_zero5

Is Witch Hunt also going to translate Tsubasa or only Ep 8?

Klash has implied they'll take a hiatus after Episode 8. But they've never said they wouldn't translate the other stuff or anything. (Knowing Chronotrig, I think he'll decide to translate it all from scratch though instead of editing the existing translations of the Tips.) He's also shown interest in translating the controls for Ougon if they get permission. They'll probably get to it when they can. Don't worry about it.