2020-05-25, 16:47 | Link #61 |
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Rin and Kagura. There's an interesting pairing. Although they don't seem to be gal pals so much as casual acquaintances living together, despite Kagura's efforts to bond with Rin. And Rin had some pointed words to say about Kagura's love for Kyo, so maybe Kagura shouldn't have mentioned Haru ?
I guess Kagura is another Sohma who seems to have a decent parent, since she seems to actually care about Kagura (even when she destroys their house) and took Rin in. Which begs the question what happened to Rin's parents . Way to kill the mood, ocean . Is it just me or did Kisa seem to be staring intently at Momiji after seeing him naked ? So by process of elimination, Kureno is apparently the Rooster Zodiac who seems to have some sort of favoritism from Akito. He's so protected that Akito keeps him away from the other Sohma's and was keeping him away from Tohru, because he knows what happens when Tohru meets Sohma's . Akito is also viewing Tohru more as a threat to the current order of the Zodiac, or at least nuisance that Akito is planning to eventually squash like a bug when he's had his fill of Tohru healing the Zodiac from all their mental trauma . I really feel like Kyo hasn't done much to earn Yuki throwing his superiority in his face. Like, sure, Kyo has a temper but he's more self-aware then people give him credit for, and as bad as Yuki has it with Akito, at least Akito sees Yuki as human (if as more of an object he can torture then an individual). I don't think Kyo deserved that . I feel like it's been a while since we've seen any of the Sohma's transform, but we get to see Momiji transform and get a gander at Rin in her horse form. Even as a horse she's beautiful and some really luscious locks . Naked Rin! No wonder Tohru was impressed . Yuki really seems to be looking out for the rest of the Zodiac. He was concerned about Haru and went out of his way to help Rin. Maybe he could turn some of that consideration over to Kyo ? Rin, I'm sure you have every right to an emotional outburst over how frustrated and angry you are...but try not to take it out on the clothes that were lent to you. I guess it's got to be inconvenient for her that her transformation is the only one that ruins her clothes because her horse form is so big . I'm not expecting anything good to come from a conversation between Akito and Kyo .
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2020-05-25, 18:52 | Link #63 | |
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Akito talking about other people being deluded is hilarious. I'm hoping that unlike the rest of the Zodiacs who just take the abuse (be it verbal or physical) standing down, Kyo will actually fight back.
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2020-05-25, 21:19 | Link #65 |
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Yuki was more calm about Rin nearly kicking off Tohru's face than I expected. He showed more anger when warning Kyo about not getting Tohru involved with Akito.
I'm really interested in seeing Kyo's meeting with Akito. He's come really far and I can see him definitely stand up Akito without going too far like Yuki was worried he would.
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2020-05-26, 10:09 | Link #68 |
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I think Yuki has a bad habit of being overly-condescending and elitist when it comes to Kyo. I mean, Kyo has a bad attitude around Yuki but he has enough to feel self-conscious about and suffered from that he doesn't need to hear Yuki's insults. So far Kyo is the only Sohma Yuki barely shows any real empathy for and Rin almost took Tohru's head off.
Of course, Kyo still judges Yuki for being The Rat so that probably doesn't help.
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2020-05-26, 13:17 | Link #69 |
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I dunno, I can't say I feel that to be true, at least not to the extent your words are making it out to be. Seeing how he behaves with everyone else, then seeing the stint with Kyo, its hard to justify him being an sob just from that, esp when he already established that he hated him(this was very early in the series, but I don't think their relationship changed all that much outside the orbit known as Tohru ). Now that I think about it, if anything, after his meeting with Akito, it feels like he's less reserve and more forward about his feelings, for better or for worse D0=. I assuming there were other moments in the series that made you think of him this way, but none come to mind immediately for me. Yuki has been generally reserved most of the time.
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2020-06-01, 14:04 | Link #72 |
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Well, the only thing I can sort of agree with Akito on is that Tohru's capacity to empathize with others is monstrous and inhuman. But to be fair, the extraordinary circumstances of the zodiaz family, normal-level empathy just doesn't cut it.
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2020-06-01, 17:31 | Link #73 |
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Are we supposed to understand Akito's power over the others? Why don't characters like Kyo just tell him to f-off? Akito's being head of the family doesn't seem sufficient to explain the deference he receives, especially since he's an asshole. Is there more, but I've missed it?
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2020-06-01, 18:48 | Link #74 | |
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This was the most emotional episode I've seen all year. I was teared-eyed from the flashback with Shisho to the ending. It wasn't even sadness, but a mix of different emotions. Kyo is such a compelling character.
I found it funny that the only "advantage" Yuki had over Kyo, which is being hat boy, was made irrelevant with the reveal Kyo knew Kyoko very well and had been watching Tohru from afar for years. Until now, we only knew he was present when she died, and I had assumed he was just a passerby who tried to help her. Her "I won't forgive you" is concerning and is clearly weighing Kyo down a lot, but I'm pretty sure there's a misunderstanding somewhere. Maybe she meant to say "if you don't make my daughter happy, I won't forgive you" or something along those lines. The reveal that his duels with Yuki are going to decide his fate was big too. He seems to have given up, but as the deadline draws closer and his love for Tohru increases even more, I'm sure he'll strive to change his fate again. Quote:
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2020-06-01, 20:15 | Link #75 |
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Now it's time for Kyo to have a deep, emotional, internal realization of his relationship with Tohru, but whereas Yuki just realized Tohru's important to him...Kyo finally put it into words that he loves Tohru .
Is it just me, or did Rin's nakedness seem more pronounced in the flashback then it did in the previous episode ? Poor Tohru has no idea these meetings with Akito are just him browbeating them over their emotional issues and dependence on him . "Stop being so arrogant." Coming from the guy who is always arrogant when it comes to Kyo. And for all of Yuki's breakthroughs, it seems like even he's still convinced people like him and Kyo shouldn't reach above their stations in the Zodiac . Having your mother kill herself in front of you (and by train no less) and then have everyone rub her suicide in your face as your fault would probably traumatize anyone . So now we know the real reason Kyo is so obsessed with beating Yuki. It's not just over an inferiority complex from the original Zodiac story, but because of a bet that basically put his entire life on the line if he could beat Yuki. Suddenly all those times Yuki beat him up or acted superior become even more depressing . Yeah, admittedly Tohru's near saint-like behavior and demeanor is fairly abnormal, but she does have real human emotions and her own insecurities that she hides. She's no more a monster then Akito with his sociopathic and obsessive behavior towards the Zodiac . And it's not like she solves everyone's problems, but just by being there and not giving up on them she's able to help them not give up and move forward with their lives, as she did with Kyo . Kyo doesn't seem to realize that Akito probably only went along with Tohru staying with the Sohma's because of Shigure. Tohru seems to be the linchpin of Shigure's plans, not Akito's . "I love you Kyo...but you still disgust me so I'm going to vigorously wash my hands because you're a monster." Seriously, where did Akito get their idea of love from ? Probably the biggest reveal of the episode was that Kyo knew Kyoko, and they seemed close, and may have even been there when she died. On-top of that he knew about Tohru and caught a glimpse of her as a child. I don't think he could have known then that that girl would grow up to be the one that would prove to be his hope and the love of his life . Poor Kyo...he has to deny his love for Tohru and deny his chance of happiness because he doesn't want Akito to do anything for Tohru and he doesn't think he's worth having Tohru, especially if his life is ultimately going to end up in a cage. All he wants is to spend what little time he has left by her side .
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Quite a few reveals during this episode like the reveal that Kyo actually made a bet with Akito and that his feud with Yuki is actually one time determine his future. Kyo actually knowing Kyoko is even more surprising. . He also caught glimpses of Tohru. Kyoko may seem to be condemning Kyo in that flashback, but there is probably more to it than that.
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2020-06-02, 01:08 | Link #78 |
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I've never understood why the Sohmas that hate Akito don't simply just... move away and avoid all contact with them. A friend of mine thinks that it's meant to be implied that Akito has some sort of supernatural-esque compulsion power that only works on the Zodiac spirit members, but even he didn't seem entirely sure about that.
I kinda assumed it was like a Japanese respect/overall cultural tendency towards submissiveness sort of thing, but incredibly overblown? I could be totally wrong about that, though.
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