Relationships In The MSLN Series [SERIOUS DISCUSSION ONLY]

[AdmiralTigerclaw]

Originally Posted by Kha

I've never met anyone who've met a Heavy after eating a sandvich in the hospital IRL.

That's because they had all their blood punched out.

[Kha]

Originally Posted by AdmiralTigerclaw

That's because they had all their blood punched out.

But I haven't met any one who met a Heavy after eating a sandvich in the morgue IRL either!

[AdmiralTigerclaw]

Originally Posted by Kha

But I haven't met any one who met a Heavy after eating a sandvich in the morgue IRL either!

And what sir, were you doing in what you imply to be... multiple morgues?

[Keroko]

Either studying dead bodies, or bringing them there. He's a doctor, after all.

[Wild Goose]

Studying to be one, Keroko. He hasn't gotten that far yet.

And no matter he has the more education: always remember Kha, that the Ward Sister and the Matron still pwn a young doctor just out of med school. Don't cross them.

[Kha]

I am at the morgue studying dead bodies for Forensics elective module.

For simplicity, we're told "lowest life form that can sign forms until further notice."

[Avatar_notADV]

Older Caro/Elio/Lutecia could be interesting. Caro's obviously got the inside track, but if puberty isn't kind to her, and Lutecia continues to resemble Rider... ;p

Tough to say about the Numbers. We don't even know if they HAD an early life development cycle; even if they did, we don't know that they were raised as a unit the whole time. I can't see Jail changing diapers, and if they spent a few years floating in a tube, and popped out half-socialized, then that's kind of different. (Ghost Brigades...) They could be the same as Fate, where they've got a biological age that doesn't match their actual "time in existence". Actually, it goes even further than that - Cinque is one of the oldest of them, but she sure doesn't look it, so either she's an "eternal lolita" build, or puberty didn't even bother with her.

On the other hand, we've seen lil' Subaru and Ginga, so we know that cyborgs are at least capable of aging normally. But we don't know if it's mandatory...

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Avatar_notADV

Older Caro/Elio/Lutecia could be interesting. Caro's obviously got the inside track, but if puberty isn't kind to her, and Lutecia continues to resemble Rider... ;p

Actually, ever since I read the chapter, I've always imagine Caro/Erio/Lutecia's future developments to fall along the lines of Nodoka/Negi/Yue...

Well, except more violent.

[Nightengale]

Originally Posted by Avatar_notADV

Tough to say about the Numbers. We don't even know if they HAD an early life development cycle; even if they did, we don't know that they were raised as a unit the whole time. I can't see Jail changing diapers, and if they spent a few years floating in a tube, and popped out half-socialized, then that's kind of different. (Ghost Brigades...) They could be the same as Fate, where they've got a biological age that doesn't match their actual "time in existence". Actually, it goes even further than that - Cinque is one of the oldest of them, but she sure doesn't look it, so either she's an "eternal lolita" build, or puberty didn't even bother with her.

On the other hand, we've seen lil' Subaru and Ginga, so we know that cyborgs are at least capable of aging normally. But we don't know if it's mandatory...

Considering the ages of the Numbers for Uno/Due/Tre/etc given in their cards compared to their appearances in flashbacks of sorts, it's pretty clear that Jail designed them with a permanent biological age setting.

I mean, Tre and Cinque were 14/15 or so when they first engaged Zest years back, while Due was only 13 years old when she pulled the evil femme fatale trick on the priest to steal Vivio's data.

[Comartemis]

Hmmm.... Due seduced that priest when she was 13? This sounds vaguely familiar in a backwards sort of way....

[Vivio Testarossa]

Originally Posted by Keroko

Momoko, Lindy, Amy, Caro, Uno, Alto, and Lucino beg to differ.

That's because there either closeted or exceptions to the rule!

Originally Posted by Comartemis

I request canon evidence of this claim.

All of those scene where Nanoha/Fate are blushing at each other.
Vita's protectiveness of Hayate.
Arisa's close connection to Suzuka.

Besides since in Nanoha, they are often not explicit on any relationships, unlike say Ranma 1/2 or Gundam Seed!

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by Vivio Testarossa

That's because there either closeted or exceptions to the rule!

These are characters that are either in clear relationships, or are the closest to getting into one, and they're 'exceptions to the rule?' Do explain.

Originally Posted by Vivio Testarossa

All of those scene where Nanoha/Fate are blushing at each other.

Oh, so blushing = romance?



Guess Nanoha isn't that lesbian after all, huh?

Originally Posted by Vivio Testarossa

Arisa's close connection to Suzuka.

What close connection? You're talking fanart here, canonically Arisa and Suzuka are as close to each other as they are to Nanoha.

Originally Posted by Vivio Testarossa

Vita's protectiveness of Hayate.

And Nanoha. Especially in StrikerS, Vita is all about Nanoha. :3 Regardless, protectiveness does not equal romance.

[Tempy]

Originally Posted by Vivio Testarossa

That's because there either closeted or exceptions to the rule!

There are no exceptions or closet cases. Only your opinion.

All of those scene where Nanoha/Fate are blushing at each other.
Vita's protectiveness of Hayate.
Arisa's close connection to Suzuka.

Besides since in Nanoha, they are often not explicit on any relationships, unlike say Ranma 1/2 or Gundam Seed!

Your evidence is circumstantial and inferential. The quoted scenes are not solid pieces of proof, but rather incidents where personal interpretation is used to justify.

Blushing is not evidence of romantic love, but of a variety of emotions that may or may not include such a feeling.

Protectiveness is not evidence of romantic love, but of desire to protect. Hayate is the first ever master that is kind and gentle to Vita. It is natural to protect that which shows you care.

Closeness is not evidence of romantic love, but of friendship. Arisa and Suzuka have known each other for years, and it is natural for friends to be close.

To associate any of that behavior with romantic love is to show a clear bias and favoritism towards such pairings and cannot be considered neutral.

[Evangelion Xgouki]

Originally Posted by Tempest Dynasty

Your evidence is circumstantial and inferential. The quoted scenes are not solid pieces of proof, but rather incidents where personal interpretation is used to justify.

Blushing is not evidence of romantic love, but of a variety of emotions that may or may not include such a feeling.

Protectiveness is not evidence of romantic love, but of desire to protect. Hayate is the first ever master that is kind and gentle to Vita. It is natural to protect that which shows you care.

Closeness is not evidence of romantic love, but of friendship. Arisa and Suzuka have known each other for years, and it is natural for friends to be close.

To associate any of that behavior with romantic love is to show a clear bias and favoritism towards such pairings and cannot be considered neutral.

Could have sworn I posted something on this before...

EDIT: Ah ha! I found it!

[Tempy]

Originally Posted by Evangelion Xgouki

Could have sworn I posted something on this before...

Hahaha you did, yes.

But it seems that the problem is still not yet resolved, as the same "evidence" was used again.

[RadiantBeam]

Originally Posted by Keroko

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That's actually a very sweet, very cute image. Nice moment for Yuunoha. Pity that was all poor Yuuno got.

*closet Yuunoha shipper*

[BPHaru]

Originally Posted by Vivio Testarossa

All of those scene where Nanoha/Fate are blushing at each other.
Vita's protectiveness of Hayate.
Arisa's close connection to Suzuka.

That is not canon evidence since in this kind of show you can't expect something conclusive for same gender relationship, much less now with the awesome plot QUALITY, now not only that is open, but a lot of many other things as well. But I think most people beside you can easily infer your same opinions, the clear direction of the fan base and the show is a good reference.

Cuídense y sigan sonriendo

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by RadiantBeam

That's actually a very sweet, very cute image. Nice moment for Yuunoha. Pity that was all poor Yuuno got.

*closet Yuunoha shipper*

There's one more:




And yeah, that's all Yuuno got. But in a strange and twisted kind of way, its actually kind of funny. After all, in every scene Yuuno and Nanoha appeared together in StrikerS, they blushed at each other. No other pairing can claim the same.

Originally Posted by BPHaru

But I think most people beside you can easily infer your same opinions, the clear direction of the fan base and the show is a good reference.

I'm curious, what 'clear direction the show is taking' are you referring to?

[BPHaru]

Originally Posted by Keroko

I'm curious, what 'clear direction the show is taking' are you referring to?

Oh you're soooooo curious my dear Kero-chan~ that's what I most love of you

Well, I wasn't thinking in something specific at the moment I wrote that since it has been obvious for me since always, but I think it was because most of the cast is female, the only character with the stereotyped characteristics of a male lead was Chrono/Kyon but now he's taken by Amy/Tsuruya (I liked the character so I'm a bit disappointed for not seeing him having a real fight in the series... maybe for next season?), and in the last season we have even more female character, most of them showing pretty closed relations with others, and as I said Chrono and Yuuno are not there, and it seems like they preferred to have Zafira in his wolf form too to don't have the male factor there, so I think the "Magical Lesbian Training Nanoha" or "Hayate's Lesbian army" thing isn't hard to infer I don't think you guys should be surprised for Vivio saying that everyone is lesbian in this series (Even the males! Yay!), at least I think no one even questioned it in our Spanish communities

...and that's not even considering the SubaTea and the obvious future Vivio/Syn or whoever

Cuídense y sigan sonriendo

[Keroko]

Nanoha has always been lacking in the boys department, even S1 has Chrono and Yuuno versus Nanoha, Fate, Arf, Arisa, Suzuka, Precia, Lindy and Amy, which is logical considering it is a magical girl series. Of course, a higher female cast means little for pairings, in many harem anime, the female cast outnumbers the male lead as well.

And then of course there is Erio trowing more dust in the theory by being the most obvious romance without other ships to get in between, despite being a guy. Heck, he even had an ending scene with the girl.