2010-04-28, 18:56 | Link #9521 | |
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But actually I'm thinking they can both be true. if 07151129 is her core than if the author or the bomb is related to that it has something to do with those accounts with all that money.
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2010-04-28, 18:59 | Link #9522 | |
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2010-04-28, 19:01 | Link #9523 | |
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Two ways in which mystery authors mislead readers is by a) bringing up important details as though they were unimportant and b) playing off of assumptions they know will be made. For example, although it isn't in Ep4 (and I'm not entirely sure it's there at all, so I need to check at some point) apparently, in the Ep3 Hidden Tea Party, Eva is mentioned to have "died in the same way Kinzo did"... even though, at that point, we're still supposed to think that he's alive. We need to go through the beginning of Ep4 again and look for things like that. Things mentioned casually and out of the blue. We might find something very interesting indeed. |
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2010-04-28, 19:02 | Link #9524 |
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No, it's clearly important, but I think less important than what Maria's life meant to Maria is what the grimoire does to Ange. If you believe it's a coincidence she just lucked out and got her hands on it, that's one thing, but if someone wanted to make sure that she got it, they would probably have known it would have a profound effect on her. The connection of loneliness between Maria and Ange is so heavily-emphasized, even though comparatively speaking Maria's situation cannot possibly have really been as bad as Ange's is.
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2010-04-28, 19:07 | Link #9526 |
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Well, Ange feels a strong connection to Maria and great guilt for her. But what the hell is Ange feeling sorry for Maria for? Yeah, Maria's writing suggests a troubled kid, but she still loved her mother, the only person she had in the world... oh and she had her mother. Ange's mother is dead, and has been for pretty much her entire developing life.
Given all the other stuff, it's improbable that anyone would think Maria had it even close. But Ange does feel that way. |
2010-04-28, 19:09 | Link #9527 |
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Those both fall under Misdirection. Another example of it is to shift focus off of the clue. Normally through action, drama, or shaking the readers emotions. There are other ways, but I don't feel like pulling up the rest mentioned in my mystery teacher's lecture.
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2010-04-28, 19:16 | Link #9528 |
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Actually now that I think about it. Takano was burned and was also supposedly identified with dental records I think. It's actually possible that Maria is still alive. Now that would be one scary twist... if all that background information suggesting she wasn't the culprit was completely false...
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2010-04-28, 19:19 | Link #9529 | ||
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Umineko does do the latter of what you said a lot, though. We'll see or hear something really interesting or contradictory and then it's all HOLY SHIT PEOPLE ARE DEAD GOLDENSLAUGHTERER AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH and when things finally calm down both the story and the reader have forgotten that little detail from before. Quote:
Okonogi, maybe? >_> |
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2010-04-28, 19:20 | Link #9530 | |
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2010-04-28, 19:25 | Link #9531 | |
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He's only the president of a food distribution company that works with Hideyoshi. I don't think he could change dental records so easily. With Higurashi it was different, mostly because Takano's cover was a nurse - manipulating her own records wouldn't be difficult. |
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2010-04-28, 19:30 | Link #9532 | |
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Takano was also assassinated too in all, but the last game by the japanese government. so her faking her death didn't stop that.
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2010-04-28, 19:31 | Link #9533 | |
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2010-04-28, 19:32 | Link #9534 | |
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No need to fake anything.
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2010-04-28, 19:34 | Link #9535 | |
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2010-04-28, 19:39 | Link #9536 |
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This is really just an addendum to what Renall said, but there's another 1998 thing that's been bugging me for a while: the method for sending the letters. Like Ange said, the sender could have just arranged for the letters to be delivered on a specific date. They could still have falsified the sender without any problem, and even mailed it from the same place. So why did Beato go out of her way to mail it like that?
I think it was Mammon or Sakutarou who said something like "That's definitely the sort of vicious and uncertain prank that Beato would enjoy pulling." In retrospect, doesn't that line kind of sound like "I wouldn't put it past Grandfather"?
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2010-04-28, 19:43 | Link #9537 | |
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We do need some kind of hint to guess who's jaw it really might be, though, if it's not Maria.
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2010-04-28, 19:43 | Link #9538 | |
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2010-04-28, 19:44 | Link #9539 |
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I wonder if anybody has ever thought of this before, but couldn't it be possible that the senders were actually the people whose names were on the letters?
So we have Rudolf sending a letter to himself Nanjo sending a letter to himself And Kumasawa sending a letter to himself. if you think about it that's the only way for those letters to simultaneously be sent at the same time. If it was one person doing it he would need to be at 3 places at once right? The question is why?
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2010-04-28, 19:46 | Link #9540 | |
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