Mondai-Ji-tachi ga Isekai Kara Kuru Sō Desu yo? (Light Novel)

[Bladedknight]

Originally Posted by Ophis

The first generation lived for 200 years, so their spiritual power was greater than the ones newly made.

Those clones appeared 200 years ago, not lived for 200 years. It's like, blood from Azi Dahaka becomes a First Generation clone, blood from the First Generation clone becomes a second generation clone.

“Even though I put it that way, to think of stopping the Clones…. The title of the strongest Floor master isn’t just for show. Even after returning her [Divinity] back to Buddha, she wiped out five of the first Gen Demon Lord Clones with one strike. If not for her, the lower levels of East would be dyed red by the bloodbath of sacrifices.”

Five first gen clones would be able to completely wipe out the east side of the lower levels. There is no way they wouldn't be 4-digit level in power.

[Ivan A.]

Originally Posted by Ophis

When you win a [Demon Lord]'s game completing all the conditions for winning, you can make the [Demon Lord] a subordinate. The [Demon Lord] in question cannot betray the community.

Pest's situation is rather special. Because of Jin's ability, she's completely under his control.

PS: Hope they'll make Azi Dahaka their subordinate. Just think of how badass their community would be And Azi would assume the form of a pretty and cute human girl and be their new maid \o/

One thing is making a Demon Lord a subordinate, but a Last Embryo? We might be going a bit too far. What if they defeat His Highness and he becomes a subordinate for the No Name´s?? Having 2 people like Izayoi in one place, sounds like a recipe for disaster(it actually makes me shiver).

[bakato]

Originally Posted by Ivan A.

One thing is making a Demon Lord a subordinate, but a Last Embryo? We might be going a bit too far. What if they defeat His Highness and he becomes a subordinate for the No Name´s?? Having 2 people like Izayoi in one place, sounds like a recipe for disaster(it actually makes me shiver).

True. Unlike modern demon lords, these originals never had Host Master Authority and I don't believe they ever belonged to a community to begin with.

[Ophis]

Originally Posted by Bladedknight

Those clones appeared 200 years ago, not lived for 200 years. It's like, blood from Azi Dahaka becomes a First Generation clone, blood from the First Generation clone becomes a second generation clone.

They appeared 200 years ago and lived for 200 years until Shiroyasha killed them...... There's clearly a difference in power between a clone made 200 years ago that have been living and fighting all this time and one made on the spot.

Originally Posted by Bladedknight

Five first gen clones would be able to completely wipe out the east side of the lower levels. There is no way they wouldn't be 4-digit level in power.

The first gen I can agree to that they're probably of 4-digit in power. But the ones that Asuka and Yo killed, no.

[Bladedknight]

Originally Posted by Ophis

They appeared 200 years ago and lived for 200 years until Shiroyasha killed them...... There's clearly a difference in power between a clone made 200 years ago that have been living and fighting all this time and one made on the spot.

I don't see how a clone that appeared 200 years ago would be stronger than a clone made right in the moment. It's not like either would have any longer time being alive than the other.

[Apoptosis]

Originally Posted by Bladedknight

I don't see how a clone that appeared 200 years ago would be stronger than a clone made right in the moment. It's not like either would have any longer time being alive than the other.

I like to think of it in the same vein as Heroic Spirits in the Nasuverse, where the older the spirit the stronger they become.

[Ophis]

Originally Posted by bakato

True. Unlike modern demon lords, these originals never had Host Master Authority and I don't believe they ever belonged to a community to begin with.

Wrong. The original Demon Lords were born with [Host Master Authority], that's why they are called a trial itself.

Spoiler for Vol 8 Chapter 1:

The top of the volcano peak, unmarked [Geass roll] rained down from the skies.
No markings for any trial synopsis.
No names to specify the participants.
Even the hoster's declaration was not on it.
The only thing recorded on the parchment was the flag of [ 恶 ].
Geass rolls were not issued by anybody, nor written by someone.
To spread around the contracts in this world, those trivial things were unnecessary.
Those contracts had been in existence since the day the world split. Eliminating the need to record any synopsis for the trials. Residents of this world had always been aware of these details.

It clearly states that Izayoi was forced into Azi Dahaka's [Gift Game].

And about the communities; At least Azi Dahaka had one (don't remember the name) and the flag of his community is the cape he uses.

Well, I too think that they won't be able to make Azi Dahaka a subordinate. But not because of the reasons above.

Originally Posted by Bladedknight

I don't see how a clone that appeared 200 years ago would be stronger than a clone made right in the moment. It's not like either would have any longer time being alive than the other.

Let's put this way then:

When Azi Dahaka creates a clone, this clone starts with level 1. The clones created 200 years ago, had 200 years to level up.
The clones that Azi Dahaka created now and sent after Asuka and Yo were level 1. Do you get it now?

[Bladedknight]

Originally Posted by Ophis

Let's put this way then:

When Azi Dahaka creates a clone, this clone starts with level 1. The clones created 200 years ago, had 200 years to level up.
The clones that Azi Dahaka created now and sent after Asuka and Yo were level 1. Do you get it now?

But how does that change the fact that the clones that were created 200 years ago that were meant to attack the Moon Rabbits would be any stronger at that time than clones created at the moment to chase after Asuka and Yo?

It's like: so what if they were created 200 years ago? They were lv 1 at the time they attacked the moon rabbits, so it doesn't matter what happened afterwards.

[bakato]

Originally Posted by Ophis

Wrong. The original Demon Lords were born with [Host Master Authority], that's why they are called a trial itself.

Spoiler for Vol 8 Chapter 1:

The top of the volcano peak, unmarked [Geass roll] rained down from the skies.
No markings for any trial synopsis.
No names to specify the participants.
Even the hoster's declaration was not on it.
The only thing recorded on the parchment was the flag of [ 恶 ].
Geass rolls were not issued by anybody, nor written by someone.
To spread around the contracts in this world, those trivial things were unnecessary.
Those contracts had been in existence since the day the world split. Eliminating the need to record any synopsis for the trials. Residents of this world had always been aware of these details.

It clearly states that Izayoi was forced into Azi Dahaka's [Gift Game].

That's not possible because Host Master Authority was only introduced after the original demon lords ravaged Little Garden. The residents of Little Garden were not forced into Azi Dahaka's game so much as the fact that his game began since the beginning of the world. Original demon lords like Azi are the embodiment of trials humanity faces such as natural disasters or evil as in Azi's case. For this reason, their games are natural to the world and everyone is a participant by default.

No it doesn't. It says so right there.

Geass rolls were not issued by anybody, nor written by someone.
To spread around the contracts in this world, those trivial things were unnecessary.
Those contracts had been in existence since the day the world split. Eliminating the need to record any synopsis for the trials. Residents of this world had always been aware of these details.

[Apoptosis]

Originally Posted by Bladedknight

But how does that change the fact that the clones that were created 200 years ago that were meant to attack the Moon Rabbits would be any stronger at that time than clones created at the moment to chase after Asuka and Yo?

It's like: so what if they were created 200 years ago? They were lv 1 at the time they attacked the moon rabbits, so it doesn't matter what happened afterwards.

Are you trying to compare the power levels of the moon rabbits to Asuka and Yo? The moon rabbits didn't all have the same authorities that Kuro Usagi had, which was what made her special. Just because Level 1s were cannon fodder to Asuka and Yo doesn't mean they're weak compared to everyone else.

[BionicMeerkat]

Good evening everyone. Just finished uploading and editing Interlude 2 and Chapter 3 of Volume 7. The chapters are up and running so enjoy!

[Endscape]

Originally Posted by BionicMeerkat

Good evening everyone. Just finished uploading and editing Interlude 2 and Chapter 3 of Volume 7. The chapters are up and running so enjoy!

Thanks, Bionic!

*runs off to go read*

[The One-way Road]

Just finished reading them. Thanks!!
Any news regarding vol 11 spoilers?

[zerozeronine]

Got confused because Koumei was always with Garol and Canaria seemed to be the leader.Question is why is he now not with the no names,he probably knows that those kids had a harsh life after being defeated and that Jin,Kuro Usagi and Lily was barely making them survive.

[Lhklan]

Originally Posted by zerozeronine

Got confused because Koumei was always with Garol and Canaria seemed to be the leader.Question is why is he now not with the no names,he probably knows that those kids had a harsh life after being defeated and that Jin,Kuro Usagi and Lily was barely making them survive.

Koumei? He was punted out of little garden like Canaria and Baron but landed in Yo's world. Also, when he was supposed to meet with Yo when the latter turned ... fifteen (I think) he didn't show up so I guess something happened to him.

[zerozeronine]

Originally Posted by Lhklan

Koumei? He was punted out of little garden like Canaria and Baron but landed in Yo's world. Also, when he was supposed to meet with Yo when the latter turned ... fifteen (I think) he didn't show up so I guess something happened to him.

Ok I get it now

Spoiler for Koumei:

Just wondering why he didn't meetp up with Yo when he eventually returned to LG

[Ophis]

Originally Posted by zerozeronine

Ok I get it now

Spoiler for Koumei:

Just wondering why he didn't meetp up with Yo when he eventually returned to LG

Spoiler for Koumei:

Probably because he doesn't want to atract the atention of the [Demon Lord] who destroyed the [No Name]. He and Baron are supposed to be banished from LG.

[zerozeronine]

Originally Posted by Ophis

Spoiler for Koumei:

Probably because he doesn't want to atract the atention of the [Demon Lord] who destroyed the [No Name]. He and Baron are supposed to be banished from LG.

Spoiler for Demon Lord:

Kinda getting confused,I thought it was Ourobos who defeated Arcadia?Or the said DL is a member of Ourobos and just using Highness as a puppet?

[XFire]

Originally Posted by zerozeronine

Spoiler for Demon Lord:

Kinda getting confused,I thought it was Ourobos who defeated Arcadia?Or the said DL is a member of Ourobos and just using Highness as a puppet?

I thought it was Azi Dahaka. The idea that there is something besides him and Shiroyasha on that level would kind of make Ouroboros pointless, wouldn't it?

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by XFire

I thought it was Azi Dahaka. The idea that there is something besides him and Shiroyasha on that level would kind of make Ouroboros pointless, wouldn't it?

Azi Dahaka was seal when the NoNames were defeated.