2013-10-20, 15:20 | Link #1 |
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(Mis)perceptions of fanservice/ecchi/hentai
hello guys, after read some threads and posts i noticed something which disturbed me a few , the "age of hate fanservice/ecchi/hentai, now i see a lot of complains about fanservice in almost every anime or manga and worse i see wrong definitions de fanservice, ecchi and hentai.
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let's discuss. ps: srry for bad english or like others like to call "engrish" Last edited by ellessarr; 2013-10-20 at 15:32. |
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The title of this thread is misleading. It seems to be asking us what the definition of these terms (fanservice/ecchi/hentai) mean, while your actual post goes on about people's perception of anime and manga. You might need a mod to clear that up for you by changing the title.
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So try to take the initiative when you get someone else into anime or manga. Either pick out the clean and innocent titles for them, or warn them about content they might find objectionable. And remember that a lot of people just don't care about that stuff anyway and will just read what appeals to them. Also, for the sake of this community, please don't link to TVTropes. Ever since the purge on "sexual tropes" that TVTropes had in 2012, that site is the last place you want to get information on stuff like fanservice from. It's not only a strongly western-oriented website, but the community which edits the wiki is ridiculously conservative. |
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2013-10-20, 23:07 | Link #5 |
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Some of it is what Utsuro no Hako pointed out.
Some ecchi fanservice (not all, but some) is kinda degrading of the female characters it's applied to, and with the anime fandom adding a lot of female fans in recent years, this isn't getting an easy pass like it perhaps once did. But beyond that, I think some of it is actually the opposite of what the OP argued. I think some of it is because a lot of us anime fans are "seasoned veterans" here. A lot of us are just tired of the old fanservice stand-bys. We've seen them a hundred bazillion times before, and we're tied of it. We're tired of "Male lead accidentally walks in on a girl in a state of undress, they both get embarrassed, she screams at him and/or socks him one". We're tired of "Male lead stumbles forward, knocks over a girl, implausibly causes her clothes to come completely undone while his open palm oh-so-conveniently falls on her boobs in a groping position". It's not so much that people object to erotic content in general. It's that people are tried of the same-old, same-old. If ecchi-fanservice anime writers could find some relatively fresh ways to add sex appeal to what they write, I think a lot of the pushback against ecchi-fanservice would fade. But as long as ecchi-fanservice is mired in total cliches, it'll get the same sort of criticism that anything overly cliched gets.
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And on that note, I'm not sure why women in the west are discouraged from writing sci-fi when there are lots of women writing and drawing "ecchi" manga with tons of fanservice in Japan, not to mention all the female eroge artists. Culture differences? |
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2013-10-21, 09:11 | Link #8 |
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Fanservice is usually offensive when it's in a serious story or when the story starts taking itself seriously. Koihime Musou's (not serious) fanservice is a tree in a forest while Highschool of the Dead (always serious) and Da Capo III's (becomes serious) fanservice is a tree in a cloud; you're going to notice. I can't speak for people on the outside looking in but anyone with a decent anime background should be able to see the next boob fest a mile away. Hentai is its own thing but even "insiders" can see a line being blurred sometimes.
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2013-10-22, 11:08 | Link #9 |
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Like Triple_R said, some people are just way too tired of it.
For eg., right now I'm watching Kill La Kill and the fanservice (yes that is what it is) is quite facepalm inducing. I guess one's expectation going into a show also matter. I went into Kill La Kill expecting something and got something at the other quite different (and uptil now, its not to my liking). Its come to the point with me that, although there are elements about the show I like, the fanservice really prevents me from enjoying it. Which makes me a bit more biased against fanservice. Well, that's just my take on it.
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2013-10-22, 14:10 | Link #10 |
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I see the fanservice in Kill la Kill as satirical rather than craven pandering. The revelation in episode 3 is an example.
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Nakashima is a satirist at heart as even a few episodes of Oh! Edo Rocket will show. The references to Hitler and Japanese school uniforms, and the entire riff on fascism, are not just there for effect but a direct attack on Japanese cultural norms.
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2013-10-22, 19:27 | Link #11 |
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Well, the fanservice in Kill La Kill actually feels refreshing to what is usually out there, I'll give you that.
Anyways, if I'm going into the usual fanservice show...kay, I'll get some enjoyment out of it nevertheless. I know what to expect. But the problems start when the fanservice looks really out of place in a serious story...and some fanservice (depending on how it is used) like shower scenes are okay, but scenes like "guy falls into girls boobs after tripping on non-existent pole" is pretty damn annoying. Of course, this is Animesuki and outside of AS a lot of guys enjoy those things, so hey, whatever floats your boat... Basically, it's not a black and white issue of "fanservice bad, no fanservice good"; it's more like inserting random jokes in the middle of serious scenes that don't fit the scene at all, which is often what fanservice is; that, and female fans will obviously see it as degrading (and anime has a lot of female fans, so there.) It would probably be balanced out if we saw more male-fanservice shows (say hello to Hetalia...sorta), but those are still rare and far-between.
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2013-10-22, 19:41 | Link #12 |
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Bad fanservice sells the character as a piece of meat.
Good fanservice sells the character as a character. (Take Fujiko Mine) Said statements are highly subjective, but if you can describe someone as more than tits and ass, you might be going somewhere. Hentai is just something to add when regular porn doesn't cut it. Though there are some exceptions like Sono Hanabira, Kanojo x3, and whatnot.
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Still, I do agree you're giving hentai writers a bit too little credit there...
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2013-10-22, 20:03 | Link #16 | |
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When it comes to the really overused stuff (like the two examples I mentioned in an earlier post), I think there's now at least as many people who dislike it as there are people who like it. There's a place for fanservice in anime, but I wouldn't excuse the more facepalm-worthy examples of it just because some people like it. At the very least, I wouldn't excuse it in a show that isn't clearly all about ecchi fanservice.
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2013-10-22, 20:06 | Link #17 |
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Most hentai that caters to fetishes are generally bad... Good hentai are those focus in one particular girl though there are some harems that are also pretty good ( I don't meant orgy).
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I couldn't help but also see a theme like the Class Conflict, which is further shown as it is stated that successful students are moved to richer districts while the mediocre ones are stuck in the slums (Of course I will not say that the show is Marxist, which is not the intention). My brother have gone as far as comparing Ryuko to Spartacus.
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about the differences(yes fanservice is =/= from ecchi) not all mangas/animes with fanservice are ecchi, this is the big concern i see in manga community Quote:
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what i'm trying to say is which excluding the pure "haters/bashs", we have peoples which just because watched some random "clean animes" or read some random "clean mangas" or because of their "western conception" of cartoon or magazines, their start to thinkin which all others will be the same or will be something very light(swinsuits at best) which is not true for japan scales(where swinsuit is at best the most light fanservice you will find) and ending interpreting wrong what is fanservice, ecchi and hentai good exemples which i see these days some coments in kill la kill, in yozakura quartet and even in yusha ni narenakata this is in anime now going to manga the perfect exemple was fairy tail chapter 355 omg i never see a big amount of runt like that, wtf this means which now the mangaka is forced only to do what the fanservice/ecchi haters wanting, he can't draw a full fun fanservice chapter which will be a mountain of complains, this make goes what??? i see a lot of "this is porn" fu*** mashima your freaking porn, Ft now is a hentai manga( and Ft is not even a ecchi manga, perhaps by the standards of some countries but not for japan or even here on brazil ). if you are looking for a clean anime/manga fine but in the moment where you stuck in a manga where fanservice and ecchi can be found then if you still reading/watching is not the animation team or mangaka fault or even japan fault but you own fault to keep following the work. and the worst is how peoples missunderstood the difference between the 3 categories fanservice manga is when we have some random few chapters or episodes focused on fanservice(naked baths, some random boobs appear here and there or pants shots) or some little random "poses"(short skirts, pants, boobs) ecchi is when part of the plot is focus on the erotism is when the big amount of the anime episodes or mangas chapters aways try to focus on naked moments, pantsshots, grab boobs and others thnings, when we have many moments of double entender, ecchi is amount, quality and focus of fanservice e.g: high school dxd, yusha ni narenakata, wakura romanze, kill la kill and others where the anime or manga is just a excuse to expose guys or girls in some erotic ways to make "money" and finally hentai, where we have the real "perv" where i can say which if peoples call things like what happen in mangas or animes like ft or kenish hentai, then what is happen in true hentais we gonna classify as?(unimaginable? impossible?/unreal?(ofcourse some things like tentacles are unreal lol but i think you get what i want to say). animes mangas like yozakura quartet or mangas likes FT where we have a a good amount off fanservice, the way which their are throwed is not enough to call "ecchi" or even hentai(in ft case) Spoiler for just to reduce the wall size:
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ps: again sorry for bad english Last edited by ellessarr; 2013-10-23 at 00:39. |
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