2012-08-14, 12:12 | Link #981 | |
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I did very much like the voice acting in that scene, even if it was for fanservice. They could've incorporated it in a much worse way. I definitively didn't feel like Sawa's problem lacked foreshadowing. Throughout the show we're shown that she loves archery, she's loved riding since she was a kid and the problems with her dad were hinted at in the previous episode. This episode simply made the offscreen tensions between her dad and her explode and that's where they decided to start her arc. I'm also bothered by all the people saying Sawa's problems seem meaningless, especially just because it was preceded by drama involving a dead parent. Her future is not a small thing, especially when you're at an age where you're expected to decide what to do with your life. Maybe I take it more seriously considering I know enough people who have to deal with that. |
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If it is intentional, I think that you'll see Wakana play a role in trying to patch things up between Sawa and Sawa's dad. Quote:
His position is definitely reasonable. He's probably being a bit too overbearing about it, like relentlessflame said, but then maybe he feels he needs to be that way given Sawa being so strong-willed about it.
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2012-08-14, 12:16 | Link #984 |
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They did note how Taichi is being practical with his dreams of becoming a pro badminton player, and is focusing on a major besides sports just in case he doesn't make the cut. Contrast that with Sawa, who doesn't appear to have a "plan B" or alternative in mind after graduation. And while being a jockey may be physically impossible for her, there's other sports that involves horses. Maybe they are setting up this contrast for Taichi to step in and actually offer her some help? One can hope... lol
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2012-08-14, 12:18 | Link #985 | |
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even where i live, i france, skiping university is a realy bad idea for you future carier and job oportunity (hell even with university if you didnt study the right thing its hard as hell...), so i japan where education and schools are seen in an even higher regarde... trying to be a jokey and failing could be very disastreous for her future, its not something you can "try and fail then do something else" so easly.
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2012-08-14, 12:31 | Link #986 |
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I hope Sawa comes to a realization after that accident.
Giving up on a university to pursue a career like that is a dumb idea. It's better to pursue a career while attending a university/college. Even if you don't make it at a professional level of that sport, you'll still be able to do something else a lot easier than with someone without a higher level of education. I also do think that that was what Sawa's father was trying to implied. |
2012-08-14, 12:47 | Link #987 |
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He has a point, she has a point - it's a classic parent-child disagreement. But his role in the ep was specifically to be an ogre, someone for the audience to boo and hiss, so that's how he was presented.
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2012-08-14, 12:56 | Link #988 | |
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One thing I forgot to mention before. Yes, Wien really did buy the Rhino thing. It can be pretty startling what you can get people to believe about countries they're unfamiliar with if you convey the absurd lie with seeming sincerity. I recall Canadian comedian Rick Mercer's Talking To Americans. What Mercer managed to get Americans (even including University Professors and top American politicians) to believe about Canada was pretty amazing. So I can totally buy Wien being fooled by the Rhino story.
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2012-08-14, 12:57 | Link #989 | |
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Anyway, I know this is a reply to a pretty old post by now. Regarding what's been discussed since... I guess I'll just say that I pretty much agree with the 5 points recently raised by Triple_R. I didn't find this episode particularly egregious in any regard; it seemed to follow rather logically from what had been set up previously to me. So, as always, YMMV.
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2012-08-14, 13:00 | Link #990 | |
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It's not so easy, and I admit that her father has a point, but all he can (and should) do as a father is advice her, not force her to do what he wants. It's her life and it's her decision, and if she wants to give it a shot her father doesn't have the right to stop her.
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2012-08-14, 13:07 | Link #991 | |
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Anyway, generally speaking, I do think this is a fairly realistic family conflict. I remember some epic arguments I got into with my dad growing up, so it definitely seems familiar.
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2012-08-14, 13:17 | Link #992 | |
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I don't think he was presented as an ogre at all, in fact his opinion and concern are perfectly valid. He is overbearing but Sawa is also being hardheaded (we've known that she can explode with passion since the Condor Queens arc), like father like daughter after all. The mom is clearly the mediator in the family as she, unlike her husband and daughter, is very level headed. Now, if her dad had threatened to sell the horse and told her to drop riding entirely because it is a "silly waste of time" that ya, he'd be your more general ogre role. Here, though, he's presented fairly.
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2012-08-14, 13:39 | Link #993 | |
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In any case, the writers are really good with the subtle details, from the strict weight requirements to be a professional jockey to all the foreshadowing for the other characters. On another note, Tari Tari pre-orders are actually doing quite well (beating out a few other series of the season, SAO... in the rankings anyway) although I'd like to say tanu's artwork may be a big factor too! At least for me since I love his/her artwork.
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well you know i was in a situation very similar from her. i always wanted to work on the video game devlopement since middle school. my mother always took it as just a childist hope and game and never took it seriously. i was kinda pissed at her reaction, and decided to show her that i was serious. i started to actively study computer programing on my own (created my first sortof game when i was around 15 i think), entered a school to study informatics, then folowed up with a university that specialized me in the video game devlopement (artificial inteligence field). then i actualy made a living of it in a small company that, like almost all small company in this domain, when bunkrupt some time after. i dont mean to brag but i'm fairly good in programation and quite confident in my capacity. well it took me a whole year to find another job, and those were VERY hard time. i finaly got a job as programer in a bank and now thing are back to normal. why does it took me so long, well just because my diplom mentioned "video game" and no society took me seriously. "eh you studied video game ? that cool but we dont work in that field so your experience and knowledge are useless" was a common answer. seeing how hard it was to be taken seriously with a damn university diplom in computer science just because i studied video game, i can imagine that past experience as a jokey would produce something even more drastic. at some point during my job research, i even started to regret having done those study in video games. i was realy starting to wish i've done another field instead and listened to my parents. it turned out well for me and i can now use my knowledge in video game devlopement to use it as my passion, but now i clearly see it as i have my regular job (wish i like, the question isn't there) and i keep video game as a passion, because i realised i wont be able to make a CORRECT living of it anymore. i realy think that this, transposed to japan's strictness and beiing a jokey make the thing realy a "hit or miss" thing. if she can succeed (wich seem to be hard with her weight) then that good, but if she can't it can realy fuck up her carier. so i understand her father position, i wouldn't use the same approach if it were me, but as long as he dont actualy forbid her and just strongly disagree i dont see the problem.
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Like I said, he has a point, and I wouldn't find it wrong if he was just voicing his concern. But he is doing a bit more than that, and to me that's a line a father shouldn't cross. It's just my opinion.
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2012-08-14, 13:57 | Link #996 | |
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I don't think he has actually stopped her yet, though, even though it's within his ability. He's "strongly suggesting" (which has an implication that he might stop her if she goes too far), but he hasn't actually literally gotten in her way yet. I guess I would say "he is trying to convince her to stop", as oppose to "trying to stop her".
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2012-08-14, 14:08 | Link #997 | |
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I definitively don't see Sawa's father as an antagonistic figure. Neither of them is wrong. I just hope the series will handle this issue better than most, because these stories tend to make the parent into a devil and the teen into a free-spirited soul on its way to stardom. It's not nearly that simple in reality.
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That would actually be a great way to give him some development within another character's arc. They both share atypical dream professions, but their approaches differ. It would be such a waste not to connect these two stories and it would leave enough time for Wien to get development. Last edited by Blonto; 2012-08-14 at 14:21. |
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2012-08-14, 14:12 | Link #998 |
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Hmm... it seems that in my previous post I didn't highlight enough what didn't work in this episode in my opinion.
The fact is that the direction the series has now taken is worrisome, from my point of view, because it has abandoned almost completely the choir route, to follow individuals' routes. Let me be clear, I like all the characters' here, but considering the 13 episode lenght I think it wasn't the case to venture into individual dramas. There was only one the series needed, because it had to unlock the catalyst character, Wakana. It was done well and it was enough. This week I was expecting the chorus adventure to restart, I expected them to start practicing, singing and hanging around together, yet we're stuck again. This is what I really don't like, because at least another episode will be dedicated to Sawa and after that: 1) If they don't show other characters' background it'd become kinda unbalanced in regards to the others (if you think about it we haven't seen much of Konatsu's private life either). 2) If they do show the others' background and let the chorus alone, then what were the first episodes for? I wouldn't want that the chorus club was used as just an excuse to gather people, device often used in novelties and in anime too, but that I wasn't expecting from Tari Tari. And considering the low ... alchemy between the chorus members as of episode 7, it's more than a possibility.
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