2009-10-03, 19:27 | Link #201 |
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That is certainly true, but my point was that Mihawk had already been set up as the absolute greatest in terms of swordsmanship since the very beginning. To have someone suddenly show up that is superior to him would greatly undermine the importance of his next inevitable duel with Zoro. He would merely be regarded as another stepping stone like all of Zoro's past opponents, and we know that Mihawk is much more special than that.
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2009-10-03, 19:50 | Link #202 | |
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It could work i guess since we know he pretty strong already. That is if BB and his crew are the final bosses of OP. |
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2009-10-03, 21:16 | Link #203 |
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I would like to see Hancock be sort of like Vivi and travel with the Strawhats for a while and teach them haki. Once some ppl have it mastered, she should just go back to Amazon Lily
Also if Rayleigh has a name like King of Hell, etc. What would Roger's be, before 'Pirate King' of course? |
2009-10-03, 21:21 | Link #204 | |
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Also, if the now in the story is a crucial time that would signal big changes in the world, then those old forgotten names from the past may appear to resume their active lives. If Oda's statements about the strengths do omit such people, then the moment such character appears, the title may automatically go back to him (e.g., the strongest swordsman to have ever lived and such). Considering that Mihawk was more or less an equal of Shanks in the old days, Roger might have a crew member that should go above both of them, around that time. Anyways, I don't mind Mihawk losing before he meets Zoro, as long as the opponent is another destined one for him. At the least, it may give a better perspective to Zoro. Since right now, he may be the most independent member of the crew compared to the rest. |
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2009-10-03, 21:58 | Link #205 |
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If Mihawk lost, it would need to be in a private battle so that no one, or only a select few, know about it. Fast forward to Zoro fighting and beating Mihawk, then suddenly Mihawk says "You are now the Strongest Swordsman in the World . . . is what I'd like to say, but I was beaten a month ago by <insert badass samurai>. You'll have to beat him if you want to prove your worth. Be warned. He's 9000 times stronger than me." Or something like that . . .
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2009-10-04, 00:05 | Link #206 |
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Heh, I remember tossing about the possibility that Shanks had actually managed to surpass Mihawk without him ever realizing it because Mihawk refused to fight someone who is handicapped...
Zoro beats mihawk, but feels somehow empty inside... he ends up having a clash with shanks and realizes "there was another"... then insert some drama about Luffy not wanted Zoro and Shanks to fight, so that we can bring up what Zoro told Luffy when he joined the crew "don't get in the way of my dream"... and it's goes on from there Really, if mihawk is gonna be beaten or anything, then i REALLY don't want it to be someone new... that would feel just wrong to me... gotta be someone we already know and has been around for a LONG time in the story... granted that would include only Shanks and Tashigi... though Tashigi would be a hell of a twist =p |
2009-10-04, 10:05 | Link #207 | |
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Rayleigh's nickname is "Hades King" or "King of Hell". To me at least, that strongly implies that he has an additional set of skills aside from swordsmanship. Otherwise, why else would he have that nickname? So, while Rayleigh may not be as skillful of a swordsman as Mihawk, he has other abilities to compensate for the inferiority in that category (swordsmanship). That being said, it is entirely possible that Rayleigh is more powerful overall than Mihawk. In terms of fighting styles, Zoro is strictly a swordsman. As far as we're concerned, he's only interested in becoming the greatest swordsman in the world, not the strongest man in the world. Mihawk already acknowledged that the path to becoming the pirate king is more difficult than surpassing him, but those obstacles are for Luffy to overcome in the future, not Zoro. Some of those obstacles may be sword wielders, but their swordsmanship skills would not be on par with those of Mihawk.
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2009-10-04, 11:25 | Link #208 |
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I also think that Kuma was punished after the Shabondy incident. I remember that Kuma had told Luffy (right before he paw-pawed him to Boa's island) that they would not meet again. I wouldn't be surprised if Dr Vegapunk installed a fail-safe mechanism inside Kuma to destroy his mind permanently if he ever defied the world government.
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2009-10-04, 12:02 | Link #209 |
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^Adding on to that, recall that after Kuma had whispered whatever it was he had to say to Rayleigh he specifically told him that he was putting himself at risk by appearing at Sabaody. So yeah, it's definitely a good bet that Vegapunk or whoever completely brainwashed him to become a perfect weapon of mass destruction for the government.....
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2009-10-04, 12:20 | Link #210 |
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I agree that Kuma has been brainwashed and its exactly what he means when he told Luffy that they will never meet again. Seeing how quiet he is after the Shabondy arc, he looks like he has become a perfect Pacifista.
He probably helped the Strawhats one last time on his own will for Dragon, he knew that he will stop being himself from then on.
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2009-10-04, 14:42 | Link #211 |
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While at the moment the brain-washing possibility seems to be the only reasonable explanation for the kuma-mystery-fragments oda gave us, it still raises the question: why did he allow a extremely powerful tool like himself not only to get lost for dragons side, but to serve the enemy from that point on?
With his abilities, he should have been able to escape this kind of punishment if he really wanted... |
2009-10-04, 16:57 | Link #212 | |
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People note that Kuma has not said anything, but Kuma isn't exactly a chatterbox... not to mention he still has the bible, which would be a rather personal item... if he had died in the last week, i would expect certain changes in his behavior such as having no attachment to that book. But ofcourse, there are certain things that can't be ignored like his conversation with raylieh and his past connections to the revolutionary army... afterall, being one of Dragon's subordinates seems like the only reason he would chat with Raylieh and send the strawhats away; and yet here we have Kuma attacking and old friend and a revolutionary... granted though, on the otherhand, him attacking Iva could be a ruse to maintain appearances; afterall, the WG already has enough reason to suspect him of treason |
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2009-10-04, 19:53 | Link #214 | |
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About his words to Luffy. Those can be anything. Maybe he didn't want Luffy to get involved with the WG-Whitebeard fight, and maybe he is planning to sacrifice himself to save Ace if it becomes necessary. Who knows! There are many possibilities. |
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2009-10-04, 21:22 | Link #215 | |
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2009-10-04, 23:44 | Link #218 |
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With all of Don D's connections it wouldn't be insane to think that he'd have a man on the inside, especially with all the corrupt marines out there. Or Kuma could've told Don himself, afterall he did tell Zoro, so I don't think its a big secret for him.
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2009-10-05, 00:07 | Link #219 | |
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Having an inside man reporting any and all changes is indeed plausible. but the deeper you go the less likely you find a traitor amongst the WG staff... in this case, Doflamingo would need to have someone near Vegapunk who is likely one of the gov't's most top secret individual |
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