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2013-03-12, 13:01 | Link #4542 |
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Or the other counties do the same thing. You might have the British national team running Russian tanks while the American team is running German tanks. And the German team is for some weird reason running Japanese tanks.
Or in the international tournament, all the teams have Ooari style mismatches of armor. Though it would be weird is the international stage increased the number of tanks more. With 25 at the starting point, 40 at the semi-finals and 50 at the Finals. At this point the number increase is to show the other teams are better that Ooari in strength without having to force the idea od the tanks being superior to those who don't know tanks. Being outnumbered is a simplier concept. Ooari/Japan on the international front would (plotwise) be the underdog still and have less tanks than they need. If they hand over every tank used by the main characters of the other schools, they would still have only 17 tanks. 1 Panzer IV (Miho) 1 Stug III (History Team) 1 Hetzer (Student Council) 1 Tiger (P) (Automotive Team) 1 Char B1bis (Morals Committee) 1 Type 89 (Volleyball Team) 1 Type 3 (Gamers Team) 1 M3 Lee (International Films Team?) 1 Tiger (H) (Maho) 1 Tiger II (Erika) 1 P40 (Anchovy) 1 Churchill VII (Derjerring) 1 Sherman Firefly (Naomi) 1 M4a1 (76mm) Sherman (Alisa) 1 M4a4 (75mm) Sherman (Kay) 1 T-34/85 (Katushya) 1 IS-2 (Nonna) If you add the other seen crews you might get the following additions: 1 Matilda II (Team tricked by Volleyball team) 1 T-34/76 (Pravda's flag tank) 1 M4 Sherman (Charile Team?) (one more possible Black Forest tank...the one crewed by Miho's old crew)
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A major plot point of Little Army is Maho did shoot an opponents tank when it stopped to assist a KMM tank that had become stranded and whose crew could of been in danger during the Jr High National Finals- and was also amazingly awarded the MVP afterward even with the bad sportsmanship. The umpire decided somehow that it was not shooting directly at a human or at an inoperable tank and also not disrespecting other competators, all of which are disqualifiable actions if this translation of the rules handout from the GuP website is accurate. To the Leagues credit (sort of) the same standard was applied to Nonna's hit on Miho's flag tank 4 years later in the high school finals. Although this continued downgrading of the rules will eventually lead to someone getting killed. |
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2013-03-12, 13:09 | Link #4544 | |
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As for Little Army, I am not sure of its canon status, nor have I read it. - Tak
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Also, remember that the flag tank match scheme is designed to give the inferior team some chance. Remember in the Saunders fight, they won having clipped exactly two tanks. What you are suggesting is nearly the equivalent of them losing an annihilation match. What is less plausible, them managing to land one hit on Maho's tank with the right tank or them destroying 19 German "animal" heavy tanks before going down? As for the national outcry bit, it could theoretically happen, but remember that the schoolship does cost a lot of money and I suspect many people would be rational. In fact, from a realistic perspective is more likely for the bureaucrats to break their word even if Oarai wins (after all, it is only a verbal commitment, w/o witnesses), or delay it only to next year. Another problem is that (and here I am being the cynic again) is that Senshado is probably not as popular as the government would like it to be. The low quantity of participants, the tanks most of them can be interpolated to have (the latter actually being more important), and you will notice that the viewing benches are often less than half full. They can broadcast it on TV, but any chances of a "national outcry" is sharply reduced if not that many people are watching. Personally, if they are going to do this "Lose but Keep" business, I think the "they were scouted" route is more plausible and fits the canon better. Maybe the guy responsible for actually training up the national team sees the performance and quietly pulls in some favors. Quote:
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I think it will be the same. Come on, we can almost excuse some schools entering competition with inadequate equipment, but if the government isn't willing to pay for a full set of equipment to their teams, then it is clearly that government's fault for not supplying even basic equipment. I suspect international games will be much less interesting at least in terms of equipment, because by now they must have an optimised solution for which kind of equipment is most likely to win. You will only at best see only late-war German, American and British equipment (note I do not count Soviet equipment because their equipment is biased towards winning operationally. As a rule in the tactical fights that define Tankery you will prefer the Western stuff), and maybe they already got it worked out even more and then we'll see even less variety. Quote:
Besides, the actual scene shows that the tank hasn't even stopped and no one has actually gotten off yet. Presumably, the German flag tank was hiding somewhere, broke out of cover, and got shot. So your description is inaccurate anyway. Nevertheless, the "shooting directly at a human" rule is known to be customarily cut very close almost from the start. Just look at Alice flinging rounds at the Type 89 tank even before Isobe climbs back in. It seems that as long as you are aiming at the tank (or at random rocks, snow ... etc), it doesn't matter if a human is in the blast radius... you might think that is dangerously unsafe, but they don't. As for an "inoperable tank", the actual text says "競技続行不能車輌" (vehicles that cannot continue the match). Even if the whole crew has abandoned the vehicle to join in the rescue, the vehicle clearly can continue the match as soon as the crew comes back. Considering that people are shown to leave the tank for other tasks (such as reconaissance), to insist no one can shoot at an abandoned tank because it is "inoperable" is clearly unfair. As for the disrespect part, that's an extremely subjective rule and I think it is all the best that such rules be applied as minimalistically as possible. A broad interpretation leads to potential for abuse - anything the judge dislikes can be bent to fit into the "disrespect" rule. The rules in Senshado are minimalistic, and their interpretation equally biased towards allowing anything you can do in war. We might not like it (actually we do - it'll be a lot less fun to watch if they actually emphasized safety), but that's their zeitgeist. Last edited by arkhangelsk; 2013-03-12 at 14:01. Reason: Formatting correction |
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http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm20301702 You are looking at the real deal; a full replica model of the Hetzer with cake ingredients, complete with treads. Quote:
Martial Arts is not war. Not unless you believe Olympic fencers should stab each other to death. If you can't separate bloodlust from self-improvement, then you lose the "art" part of martial arts. And that's why Miho is different from her mother. Because to her mum there is no art anymore.
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2013-03-12, 19:01 | Link #4549 | |
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2013-03-12, 19:34 | Link #4552 |
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Depends on how literal the idea of "for great victory there must be great sacrifices" is taken.
How many martial arts take death as acceptible for victory in tournaments? Accidents happen, yes, but is it acceptible to use that to one's advantage or even make the situation worse to achieve victory? Is it acceptible to lose and save another's life? There are now two instances of this coming up...with a probable third next episode. All involving water and teams going to rescue others.
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2013-03-12, 23:27 | Link #4557 |
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...Injured, thrown out of your position by the tank falling, tangled up in something, caught on something, just plain panicked... There are lots of possibilities. People have drowned in cars when they've fallen into lakes and rivers, despite the fact that those should be much easier to get out of than tanks.
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It seems that you want to defend "the old ways", yet you are enormously unwilling to accept that "the old ways" may well result in at least a few un-necessary deaths, especially when coupled with a relatively high-risk activity like Senshado, thus this denial activity. Say what you want about Shiho, but at least she has the spine to bite the bullet. |
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2013-03-13, 00:39 | Link #4559 |
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It makes be wonder how Shiiho became like that. Seeing she has two teenage daughters, one would guess she was in high school 20 years ago. About the same time Ooari closed down its Senshado program. Coincidence? I wonder about that.
Could Shiho have gone to school at Ooari? Or was her time in high school Senshado the reason Ooari stopped participating roughly 20 years ago? Ooari's symbol is fairly german inspired after all.
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