Nisemonogatari - Overall Series Impressions & Total Series Rating

[Malkuth]

Originally Posted by SRanger

Far too much fanservice, and wtf fanservice at that. I mean, come on, think about the fans who DONT like fucking incest and lolis. That shit made me cringe.

The story was all over the place, especially the ending with these two ghost hunters popping up and the typical "ima beat you up Araragi, lol we made up you win" end.
I thought the Fire Sisters story was pretty mundane, especially with that lame-ass villain.

Fucking haircuts. Why?!

Needed more Hitagi, a better storyline, and FAR LESS fanservice.

You're the best example of the vocal minority that expects the series to be something that it never was. Bake- TV ending is to blame of course, confusing so many viewers, especially abroad. On the other hand, it boosted sales, while misleading consumers that the series is another mainstream show, instead of an interesting late night one, and therefore we got Katana-, -Madoka, Nise-, Kizu-, and hopefully a more writer-influenced (rather than publisher-influenced) Medaka-

Oh! and ecchi is not necessarily fanservice, as well as all underaged girls are not lolis

[Vexx]

Originally Posted by Malkuth

Oh! and ecchi is not necessarily fanservice, as well as all underaged girls are not lolis

Aye, it gets really old having hammer those misconceptions down.... yet they persist.

[Hiroi Sekai]

Doing what it did best, Nise's dialog and atmosphere was fantastic like always. There were a few scenes that I personally didn't like; fanservice was already commonplace in Bake, so that's not even really a thing to note. I just felt this wasn't as strong as Bake overall, but what Nise did well was awesome.

Favourite thing was Tsukihi's opening; a great "Renai Circulation" of this season. Bake scored a 9 for me, Nise was an 8.

Oh, and what's the huge deal with haircuts I keep seeing around here? Seeing the promotional wallpapers with the new character designs was EPIC. I don't know why short hair on females scares so many people; it's a style. A really cute and/or cool style at that.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Originally Posted by Malkuth

You're the best example of the vocal minority that expects the series to be something that it never was. Bake- TV ending is to blame of course, confusing so many viewers, especially abroad. On the other hand, it boosted sales, while misleading consumers that the series is another mainstream show, instead of an interesting late night one, and therefore we got Katana-, -Madoka, Nise-, Kizu-, and hopefully a more writer-influenced (rather than publisher-influenced) Medaka-

Oh! and ecchi is not necessarily fanservice, as well as all underaged girls are not lolis

You know I've always felt that peoples high expectations for this franchise might have just more than a little to do with how the fans of it often talk it up as if to imply that it's a must see masterpiece. Considering how highly praised and touted this series has been by it's fans and how big a deal it's become I don't think it's unfair that some people would have the expectation that there be more to it than meets the eye. I certainly had that expectation initially and was pretty underwhelmed by everything I've seen from it so far. Just a thought I've always had. At the very least I don't think these expectations and misconceptions (and based on what I've seen I agree they are indeed total misconceptions) sprang from nothing, that's for sure.

[zarqu]

Don't believe the hype. I have never referred to Bake/Nise as a masterpiece. If someone uses the term "masterpiece" to refer to any work of art, that should only make one more skeptical. At least it makes me.

Isn't this obvious?

[Kaioshin Sama]

Originally Posted by zarqu

Don't believe the hype. I have never referred to Bake/Nise as a masterpiece. If someone uses the term "masterpiece" to refer to any work of art, that should only make one more skeptical. At least it makes me.

Isn't this obvious?

One would think, but hype can be a pretty powerful force and many still fall prey to it pretty easily and I'd argue this is especially true with anime fandom. The chance to belong to a larger community of fans within a niche audience like that which enjoys anime is often pretty tempting I would imagine and the sheer chance that a work might actually live up to the hype will usually get people to check out at least a few episodes of a show. In my experience hype rarely pans out in reality though which has made picking anime to watch that I wouldn't otherwise pick up automatically more than a bit of a crap shoot because rarely do share similar expectations and interests with the rest of the community at large these days. This is why I've tried to form a smaller community of contacts and friends who understand my tastes and expectation levels enough to recommend anime to me.

Personally though I've grown to hate hype because it often obscures the true nature of a work behind a sheen of inflated expectations and positive reactions, but I've always found it's worth checking out a hyped series just to have an opinion on whether it lives up to it or not.

[SRanger]

I thought Bakemonogatari was really good though, I was just sadly uninformed that Nisemonogatari would be nothing like it. I read somewhere that Isin wasn't initially going to publish Nise, and it was just like nonsense. Guess that makes sense.

Honestly, I'd give Nise a 6-7 /10, while I gave Bake a 9.

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by SRanger

I thought Bakemonogatari was really good though, I was just sadly uninformed that Nisemonogatari would be nothing like it. I read somewhere that Isin wasn't initially going to publish Nise, and it was just like nonsense. Guess that makes sense.

Honestly, I'd give Nise a 6-7 /10, while I gave Bake a 9.

you don't have the Courage to give it a 8 at least?

[zarqu]

Originally Posted by Kaioshin Sama

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I don't really disagree with you. Hype is a powerful force. The antidote to that is obviously to not pay attention, or just learning to do your background work. In my case, personal interests and the interests of the community at large rarely meet, too (wrt. say, Little Busters! or the new KyoAni show).

I don't know. Being skeptical is simply natural for me, so the naiveté of some people does indeed surprise me at times. Of course it could be me who's being naive here!

Originally Posted by SRanger

I read somewhere that Isin wasn't initially going to publish Nise, and it was just like nonsense. Guess that makes sense.

This is a misunderstanding. Postscripts for Bake/Kizu. Nise is what it is.

[SRanger]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

you don't have the Courage to give it a 8 at least?

Damn, that sounds heroic..

[Malkuth]

@Kaioshin-sama: I would agree if by masterpiece you mean something that would be unanimously regarded as such. With that annotation neither Nise- nor Bake- (either books or anime) are masterpieces, but nothing really can be, since opinions are by definitions subjective and bound to vary.

[HasuMasu]

So I finally got around to watching this and I have to say I was a bit let down, not that much since I was spoiled by the Light Novel Thread but I guess I still harbored a bit of hope left over from Bakemonogatari. Even if I say that there's still loads that I liked about this--the ED, Hanekawa/Kanbaru's new look, and Kiss-shot talking/showing an older form. I'm anticipating the other books' adaptations since I know they'll be better, so I guess it was nice to get this over with to make way for the big boys.

[Akito Kinomoto]

The good news is my biggest complaint from Bakemonogatari in its horrible visuals have been addressed. The bad news is everything else about this show. More thoughts below...

Spoiler for Length:

Nisemonogatari is the sequel to Bakemonogatari and focuses on the story arcs of Karen Araragi and Tsukihi Araragi. Koyomi Araragi’s family has gotten involved with the supernatural so it’s up to him to help them as he helped Hitagi Senjougahara, Nadeko Sengoku, Mayoi Hachikuji, Suruga Kanbaru, and Tsubasa Hanekawa. And spends as much time on them as he does Karen and Tsukihi.

Keep in mind: this is an 11 episode anime that spotlights seven characters equally despite the story arcs being about only two of them. This wouldn’t be a problem if the literal five out of seven character interactions Koyomi goes through contributed to the story but unfortunately that’s only a third of the time. When Koyomi isn’t getting advice from the other characters about Karen and Tsukihi’s problems, he’s in pointless conversations and fanservice scenes. The pointless conversations and fanservice scenes can’t be for character development because their development peaked in Bakemonogatari, they can’t be for reintroducing the characters because there are scenes where at least two of them are together and thus could have reintroduced more in one shot, and they can’t be for its own sake because Nisemonogatari has the pretense of a plot that gets overshadowed and makes most of each episode’s content to be filler. And despite Koyomi lacking Meme Oshino’s help, it shouldn’t take seven and four episodes to resolve Karen and Tsukihi’s problems because he at least has Shinobu Oshino’s valuable insight being a supernatural being herself, making what little advice he gets from the other characters somewhat pointless.

Not that the conclusion to Karen and Tsukihi’s story arcs is good, though. The latter ends in philosophical talk that’s difficult to take seriously because of how bad the rest of the show is and the former is even worse because it turns out to be a wild goose chase. It would actually be good if it didn’t have filler to pad itself out or the conversations and fanservice wouldn’t be pointless if the show didn’t have the pretense of a plot. But as it stands, this anime has nothing real to show for itself; kind of ironic considering a recurring theme in this show is fakeness being more genuine than realness and “nise” roughly translating to “fake.” Yeah, Nisemonogatari is real; real annoying, real bad, and real pointless.

[DorkingtonPugsly]

Originally Posted by Akito Kinomoto

The good news is my biggest complaint from Bakemonogatari in its horrible visuals have been addressed. The bad news is everything else about this show. More thoughts below...

Spoiler for Length:

Nisemonogatari is the sequel to Bakemonogatari and focuses on the story arcs of Karen Araragi and Tsukihi Araragi. Koyomi Araragi’s family has gotten involved with the supernatural so it’s up to him to help them as he helped Hitagi Senjougahara, Nadeko Sengoku, Mayoi Hachikuji, Suruga Kanbaru, and Tsubasa Hanekawa. And spends as much time on them as he does Karen and Tsukihi.

Keep in mind: this is an 11 episode anime that spotlights seven characters equally despite the story arcs being about only two of them. This wouldn’t be a problem if the literal five out of seven character interactions Koyomi goes through contributed to the story but unfortunately that’s only a third of the time. When Koyomi isn’t getting advice from the other characters about Karen and Tsukihi’s problems, he’s in pointless conversations and fanservice scenes. The pointless conversations and fanservice scenes can’t be for character development because their development peaked in Bakemonogatari, they can’t be for reintroducing the characters because there are scenes where at least two of them are together and thus could have reintroduced more in one shot, and they can’t be for its own sake because Nisemonogatari has the pretense of a plot that gets overshadowed and makes most of each episode’s content to be filler. And despite Koyomi lacking Meme Oshino’s help, it shouldn’t take seven and four episodes to resolve Karen and Tsukihi’s problems because he at least has Shinobu Oshino’s valuable insight being a supernatural being herself, making what little advice he gets from the other characters somewhat pointless.

Not that the conclusion to Karen and Tsukihi’s story arcs is good, though. The latter ends in philosophical talk that’s difficult to take seriously because of how bad the rest of the show is and the former is even worse because it turns out to be a wild goose chase. It would actually be good if it didn’t have filler to pad itself out or the conversations and fanservice wouldn’t be pointless if the show didn’t have the pretense of a plot. But as it stands, this anime has nothing real to show for itself; kind of ironic considering a recurring theme in this show is fakeness being more genuine than realness and “nise” roughly translating to “fake.” Yeah, Nisemonogatari is real; real annoying, real bad, and real pointless.

Ouch, so harsh! I'd say keep watching the ongoing season and neko kuro because none of the characters have really peeked in development yet. In my opinion these two were the worst of the novels, but still not really pointless.

[shinyaNakagawa]

Originally Posted by Akito Kinomoto

The good news is my biggest complaint from Bakemonogatari in its horrible visuals have been addressed. The bad news is everything else about this show. More thoughts below...

Spoiler for Length:

Nisemonogatari is the sequel to Bakemonogatari and focuses on the story arcs of Karen Araragi and Tsukihi Araragi. Koyomi Araragi’s family has gotten involved with the supernatural so it’s up to him to help them as he helped Hitagi Senjougahara, Nadeko Sengoku, Mayoi Hachikuji, Suruga Kanbaru, and Tsubasa Hanekawa. And spends as much time on them as he does Karen and Tsukihi.

Keep in mind: this is an 11 episode anime that spotlights seven characters equally despite the story arcs being about only two of them. This wouldn’t be a problem if the literal five out of seven character interactions Koyomi goes through contributed to the story but unfortunately that’s only a third of the time. When Koyomi isn’t getting advice from the other characters about Karen and Tsukihi’s problems, he’s in pointless conversations and fanservice scenes. The pointless conversations and fanservice scenes can’t be for character development because their development peaked in Bakemonogatari, they can’t be for reintroducing the characters because there are scenes where at least two of them are together and thus could have reintroduced more in one shot, and they can’t be for its own sake because Nisemonogatari has the pretense of a plot that gets overshadowed and makes most of each episode’s content to be filler. And despite Koyomi lacking Meme Oshino’s help, it shouldn’t take seven and four episodes to resolve Karen and Tsukihi’s problems because he at least has Shinobu Oshino’s valuable insight being a supernatural being herself, making what little advice he gets from the other characters somewhat pointless.

Not that the conclusion to Karen and Tsukihi’s story arcs is good, though. The latter ends in philosophical talk that’s difficult to take seriously because of how bad the rest of the show is and the former is even worse because it turns out to be a wild goose chase. It would actually be good if it didn’t have filler to pad itself out or the conversations and fanservice wouldn’t be pointless if the show didn’t have the pretense of a plot. But as it stands, this anime has nothing real to show for itself; kind of ironic considering a recurring theme in this show is fakeness being more genuine than realness and “nise” roughly translating to “fake.” Yeah, Nisemonogatari is real; real annoying, real bad, and real pointless.

Lel. You seem not getting the gist of the show itself, really. The series is mostly about conversation and philosophical talks (involving kaii/apparition phenomenons) without much actions involved. I hate to say this, but you failed to understand the concept of the series in the first place.

[Akito Kinomoto]

Originally Posted by shinyaNakagawa

Lel. You seem not getting the gist of the show itself, really. The series is mostly about conversation and philosophical talks (involving kaii/apparition phenomenons) without much actions involved. I hate to say this, but you failed to understand the concept of the series in the first place.

The focus wouldn't be problematic if the show didn't have the pretense of an overarching plot and the idea itself 180's from Bakemonogatari to where Monogatari's got an identity crisis.

[MrFalcon]

I was one of the ones who came in late in the game. I started watching the series when Nise started, and actually watched Nisemonogatari and Bakemonogatari at the same time. i'd watch Bakemonogatari while waiting for new episodes of Nise.

I liked Nisemonogatari just slightly more. What got me hooked was the first episode of Nisemonogatari. Araragi was locked up in a basement by Hitagi. I had no idea at first she was his girlfriend, which ended up being a cool reveal as I continued watching. I really like the lighthearted feel of Nisemonogatari, it's music, and themes. The sisters are some of my favorite characters because of how naive but also determined they are.

[shinyaNakagawa]

Originally Posted by Akito Kinomoto

The focus wouldn't be problematic if the show didn't have the pretense of an overarching plot and the idea itself 180's from Bakemonogatari to where Monogatari's got an identity crisis.

In a whole, Nisemonogatari is still one of the entry for the first season and the entire entry was only made to provide background stories for the sisters and to introduce new characters as well as to provide little developments to some of the existing/recurring characters. The series itself is still continuing and it would be really harsh to bash the series just based on the less developed plot in Nisemonogatari. Another thing you must aware of is that this is a story-driven series and not some action packed series.

Edit: 'Nise' in this context referred to as 'false' or 'falsehood', and the title itself is a word play on the sisters' plot events and also the character Deishuu Kaiki. By not knowing the real essence of 'Nise' which Nisio has pointed out, this proves that one is not really has the initiative to understand the whole point of the story himself.

[Akito Kinomoto]

Originally Posted by shinyaNakagawa

In a whole, Nisemonogatari is still one of the entry for the first season and the entire entry was only made to provide background stories for the sisters and to introduce new characters as well as to provide little developments to some of the existing/recurring characters. The series itself is still continuing and it would be really harsh to bash the series just based on the less developed plot in Nisemonogatari. Another thing you must aware of is that this is a story-driven series and not some action packed series.

Edit: 'Nise' in this context referred to as 'false' or 'falsehood', and the title itself is a word play on the sisters' plot events and also the character Deishuu Kaiki. By not knowing the real essence of 'Nise' which Nisio has pointed out, this proves that one is not really has the initiative to understand the whole point of the story himself.

A sequel's intentions are pointless when it contradicts a prequel's genre. And saying it's harsh to bash the series because of Nise's less developed plot is ironic when the series is story-driven. Nise's easy to understand but its quality isn't.

[shinyaNakagawa]

Originally Posted by Akito Kinomoto

A sequel's intentions are pointless when it contradicts a prequel's genre.

Please enlighten me and elaborate your points more. I cannot find any relevant point in your review (or basically, your opinion) that you have written in your previous post.

As far as I am into the series until this moment, I am not seeing any contradictions with the genre itself. It is just the personal preference of the novel author to not stick with just only one genre in his stories as far as he do not change the entire theme of the series.

And as I have mentioned, Nise is made just to introduce more new characters which they are very important to the plot development as the series goes deep into its core plot in the next entries of the series. Also, 4-6 episodes is relatively fine for any light novel adaptation which has 250-400 page counts, any lower than that would destroy the story essence. Every thing in the series you have seen so far is interconnected and there is no such thing as filler plot besides some of the perversed fanservice scenes.