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The Bounto arc started off terrible. They were just ...for lack of a better word "Fugly!" However once they got to SS...they were really good. Kariya's Doll disappointed the hell out of me. Most of the time the animation was really crappy. Ichigo had to get weaker and dumber, because the filler characters can't be stronger than the manga characters. If they are...then the Manga characters will lose their mystique and look like crap. If they could find a way to do ...that doesn't ruin Ichigo or the Manga characters....I wouldn't mind them. |
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2008-08-08, 06:43 | Link #723 | |
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2008-08-08, 09:46 | Link #725 | |
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The "filler characters can't be stronger than manga characters" thing, wherever it came from, isn't true at all. Those Arrancar in the pre-Hueco Mundo arc(as forgettable as they are) seemed on par with Grimmy's fraccion at the very least. The Arrancar on that mini-arc with Hitsugaya & Matsumoto(with that human shota) appeared to be stronger than Grand Fisher, which is an appropriate comparison considering that neither were menoses. Oh, and Captain Amagai... we haven't seen his Bankai yet, but his Shikai definitely > Byakuya's. But fwiw, Kariya was pretty disappointing for me too. And I'm not sure why some are wanting the anime to get back to manga episodes when quite frankly, the manga sucks right now. Yes, even comparing it to the current anime arc.
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2008-08-08, 10:32 | Link #726 |
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so basically you are agreeing that none of the filler characters to date have been stronger than any of the manga characters...
being on par with does not equal stronger than... just as strong as... the rule is there, especially in fighting shows, because the purpose of the battles is to power up or develop the character. if a power up or development hasnt happened yet in the manga there is no way its ever gonna happen in a filler... it can expand on whats already known or reinforce a point already made, but rarely will a filler ever add a new layer not introduced by the manga already. and if they do it usually fails or conflicts with later manga development, which pisses people off. the day the filler episode brings out a new form of bankai or whatever for ichigo without retracting it all later as a dream sequence is the day i stab myself in the eye with a USB plug. fillers can only reinforce whats already known or at best flush out characters or scenes with inconsequential additions. they cant really add to the storyline.... which is why they are horribly boring most of the time, imo. Last edited by poptart; 2008-08-08 at 17:44. |
2008-08-08, 10:40 | Link #727 | |
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that rule certainly exists, the best example is the beginning of the bounto arc where Ichigo suddenly can't go Bankai anymore -> they artificially lowered his strength, because snake man, the water twins and rainbow shinigami would have been no threat to him.. they just bought time with this move
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It's like I'm asking a friend what he thinks about the Transformer Movie and in response he tells me he doesn't watch crap from Michael Bay. in Bleach's case we know Noriyuki's Bleach Movies, the Naruto Movies, the Bounto Arc,.. -> enough information to stay away from the Amagai Arc oh please, as much as I like Amagai's charakter, his shikai looks stupid, especially the hook and the muffler/turbocharger.. not only is Byakuya's better, I guess everyone's is ah ok, Omaeda's probably not
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I can't stress this enough. Judging an anime original before watching it solely based on the fact that it's not in the manga is wrong, period. Just as saying all these bad things about them while claiming that it's BECAUSE they're anime original(or filler, whatever) is even more wrong. If they're bad, it's not because they're not from the manga.
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2008-08-08, 20:13 | Link #731 | ||
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now if you have an instance where there is a filler character that was STRONGER THAN any of the real characters i'd love to hear it... as i tend to forget the filler episodes there is a strong chance that you are correct on this... i am mean proven to be stronger through action in the anime... not a guess or conclusions or opinions. i'm talking asskickery proof... Quote:
they never have, and never will, revel a new power up or character development because their would story is inconsequential to the original storyline. you could remove the whole bount filler arc and not have anything missing from the original story. just because the filler arc happened in the past does not negate the fact that it has ample opportunity to alter and add to the original story if indeed it had anything to do with it... which it doesnt. there are plenty of characters whoes pasts we dont know that could have been brought to life if not for the fact that fillers are not made to bring anything new to the table... they are meant to kill time till things can get back to the original story... fact |
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And the anime is behind the manga. Every character in the anime is weaker than the manga version simply because the manga is in "the future". It don't have anything to do with being an anime original or not. Quote:
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What they're "meant" for is completely irrelevant. Enjoy them or dislike them for their content.
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2008-08-08, 21:09 | Link #733 | |||
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2008-08-08, 21:22 | Link #734 | ||||
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Ichigo can use Bankai anywhere...Period. His not being from SS didn't make a difference. Besides once Isshin was revealed to be a Shinigami. The logic behind his not being able to use bankai...became illogical Not only was it fake...The Bounto arc confused some people. Also it made Ichigo weak as a kitten. Even Getsuga Tenshou came out in tiny little blasts i. e. Episode 82...Zangetsu was deformed and Getsuga Tenshou couldn't even make a dent in a steel girder. When it previously turned the surrounding landscape into a replica of the Grand Canyon, when used. Quote:
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I watch the dub (When I am in mood for self-torture) only because I can't compare it to the sub without watching it. So far from the glimpses of this arc that I seen...It doesn't look too promising I am going to watch this entire Arc. I am a Bleach Otaku. I am just in no rush to do so. I can't say if they are bad or not... not yet. I will say this...from what I hear and raws I watched...The Manga still kicks the Anime's ass. If the arc is good...as the Manga. I will be the first to say so. |
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2008-08-08, 21:59 | Link #736 |
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Eating chicken right now. THAT IS NOT TRUE. HE NEVER LOST THE POWER OF BANKAI. The reasaon established was because he was in SS . Since he wasn't real Shinigami. It would make sense he couldn't use it right? How is that "continuity" when HE WAS IN FACT A PUREBLOOD Shinigami.?! So that whole "Not of SS" is conflicting with the FACTS. That's why its a FILLER! It's fake! It's not real! It's not credible. It can't add to the story...only HURT IT. Or have no effect on it at all...
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2008-08-08, 22:07 | Link #737 | |
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He never lost the power of Bankai in the manga. He did lose that power in the anime though, and you can't deny that. Ichigo isn't a "pureblood Shinigami" because he's still alive. It's not like Shinigamis are just another race or species, they're spirits who have the power to lead pluses to Soul Society. By your logic, Yuzu and Karin are pureblooded Shinigami too
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as for the trio i dont mind them sticking around as they are pretty much forgettable in there uselessness in the storyline... nothing like stuff animal comic relief D: and that other guy.... well... i forgot all about him so i really cant comment on him. sorry *shrugs* i just remember saying "who the hell is that" when i saw him. Quote:
let me rephrase that... i HOPE TO GOD they dont ever revel a new power in the fillers as i dont want to stab my eye out with the USB cord Quote:
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there "content" is what i have a problem with as 9/10 times i'm bored to tears looking at bastardized versions of characters i like and luke warm, watered down plots that are failed to go no where because they cant do anything to change the original storyline. Quote:
and for it to be a good fighting anime they should at least be significantly stronger than the opponent for the journey to get better and stronger to be interesting. though if all you are looking for is people punching stuff then i guess that doesnt matter *shrugs* Quote:
not random, matsumoto likes to shop or yumichika likes tasty cakes not making ishida into some emo "head bandge ofnobody understands" wearing love struck fool that conflicts completely with his character development so far. or making renji into some bumbling idiot in an attempt to up the comedy. i dont enjoy them because of what they are... short of the hitsugaya soccer episode (because i love Paku and Rie together) and the kendo one (cause i love when ikkaku is screaming and hitting things) i have yet to enjoy any of them... and so i dont watch them for the most part. i tune in when i think my favorite seiyuu or character will have a big part and then go back to waiting for the real story to start up again. |
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What makes you think I am upset
I think it's no need to get this upset over a filler. I think you need to take your own advice. You have a a sharp wit and can be really likable. You're a little straight-laced ...but that's cool. However you take this filler thing to personally. Quote:
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Urahara severed his chain of fate. Once that happens. You cannot go back to being alive (The only reason Orihime isn't dead. Her chain was not severed) Ichigo put it best in episode 10, when Keigo asked if he wanted to go see Don Kanonoji His reply: "No thanks...I am fine just being a zombie".<--that made me laugh. Ichigo is a "dead man walking." I didn't say that ...you did Yes they are pure bloods; on their father's side. One just has more spirit power than the other. You should read the Manga. No question of Karin becoming one... I said he was a pure blood. . I said the reason he not able to achieve bankai. According to the anime that is because he was not of SS. I said once Isshin was revealed to be a Shinigami. The reasoning behind his not being able to use it because he was not "Originally of SS".... He is a fake Shinigami and he could only use it in SS ....because he was in SS.:upest: Became illogical....Why... . Quote:
Shinigami just means "A god of Death aka Death God" The two worlds are constantly exchange souls. They maintain this balance by escorting souls to SS & Purifying Hollows of the sin they committed as Hollows so they re-enter the life-death-rebirth cycle. That's a job description. it's not the name of the species However some humans posses spirit power so they too can become "Shinigami" i.e Rukia . They are in fact a separate species. In Bleach they are humanoid spirits .they do no consider themselves human. They never say they are human spirits. They say the living or "real" world and theirs exchange souls constantly. Dead means you can't produce life. They possess the power to reproduce. Ichigo is proof of this... Kubo never said what they were. They are humanoid in appearance and have no problem mating with humans. However Byakuya marveled and Aizen found Ichigo interesting because he'd did things "No Human should have done" They always use the term "HUMAN" as if they are other than. (human) Fact is...Ichigo already had his own spirit powers;which were latent. For time he borrowed Rukia's. Then he used his own. You either have spirit power or not. You can't get back something you never had to begin with. He has them because he inherited them naturally. That's what makes him so unique, He isn't fully human to begin with and now he he's a Human/uknownspirittype/Hollow hybrid-- one who is dead. He's different from all the others. (That's why he's so kick ass) He's not a "Real Shinigami" because he didn't take the course. That' why he's called a "Shinigami Representative" There is no character with as much potential as he has. Because of that unique combination. That's why fillers are disliked, because if they are not twisting the original plot...they usually add nothing and instead take away from the "Original Manga storyline" Which makes them fillers...because they don't add anything to the "original story" So they do not count... That's why most of us manga devotee's skip them. Last edited by BleachOD; 2008-08-09 at 03:14. |
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2008-08-09, 04:50 | Link #740 | |
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I shall enter the filler discussions again@!!! only because nothing else in the bleach forum currently really interests me >_>
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Ultimately at the very end, it is very probable (yes, that's my opinion. But there is so much hints from previous experiences, 'm only putting in a irregularity probability because the anime isn't finished) that the anime won't deviate from the manga. So the filler characters will play little, or no significance in the actual storyline at all. Sure, the mod souls still exist. What have they done? get kicked around, insert cold humor, but have they done anything concrete? Has any real storyline-important character been defeated by them? No. That's why i don't recognize fillers as canon. It dosen't prove anything just because they exist. Canon material existence is not defined by existence, it's defined by doing something that leaves a mark. |
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