2010-04-24, 23:28 | Link #9081 | |
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Kanon commiting suicide isn't a bad idea though. We took take this as a clue to it. Kanon knowning that he won't be able to leave the room. And if we say Kanon knows about the bomb going off at midnight, he might have just decided to end it early knowing he couldn't leave the room anyway. |
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2010-04-24, 23:31 | Link #9082 | |
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Incidentally, I've said this before, but: Knox 1, the culprit must be someone introduced in the early part of the story. Therefore, Erika's real identity must be someone who was introduced in the early part of the story. |
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2010-04-24, 23:32 | Link #9083 | |
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Saying that Sayo and Yoshiya aren't valid destroys Shkanon completely. So if I say Gohda has a second personality called "Magical Gohda Chef" then even if we never see this other personality, it's considered valid. It's just a ridiculous argument, which is what I'm trying to demonstrate. Last edited by SeagullCrazy; 2010-04-24 at 23:35. Reason: minor grammar and spelling errors |
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2010-04-24, 23:35 | Link #9084 |
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That's not how Shkanon works in all variations. Chronotrig might have to put his theory in his sig becuase I'm have trouble finding it, but...
Alright I'll list some of the variations here
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2010-04-24, 23:39 | Link #9085 | |
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Also, who said the culprit is the only one who can commit a murder? If someone kills in self-defense, this does not mean they are the "culprit!" |
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2010-04-24, 23:39 | Link #9086 | |
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But it's not as easy as you're making it out to be. There are several rules which limit how it can be used, only some of which I personally think I understand. Also remember that we have Knox's 8th to deal with, and a secret this big needs to have a massive amount of foreshadowing. I don't think you can make a case for anyone as strong as the case I've made for Shannon and Kanon.
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2010-04-24, 23:40 | Link #9087 | |
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2010-04-24, 23:43 | Link #9088 | ||
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Therefore, she is A culprit, if not THE culprit. Quote:
From my point of view, you haven't made a very strong case at all. You've just made a big, convoluted one. |
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2010-04-24, 23:44 | Link #9090 | |
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2010-04-24, 23:45 | Link #9091 | |
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There is absolutely no logical way to distinguish a "piece" from a "personality" from a "disguise" using the text we are given. No matter the evidence - real or imagined - that any two people are the same person, no evidence exists to suggest the actual manner in which they are connected. Any attempt to do so is illogical and self-contradictory, as has been proven time and again. If this concept were right, it would be explicable and understandable. Either it isn't being explained properly or it is impossible to understand because it defies sense. I have my own feelings about which is the case, but it's one or the other. EDIT: To clarify, the "manner in which they are connected" means the actual mechanism, be it DID, imagination, or whatever. I understand the theories of WHY they are connected, it's the how that will never, ever make any sense. |
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2010-04-24, 23:47 | Link #9092 | |
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Alright, just for clarification, who are these people? I thought it was something like this: Sayo: The human controlling personalities/imaginary people Shannon: Imaginary person Sayo pretends to be Kanon: Imaginary person Sayo pretends to be Beatrice: Imaginary person Sayo pretends to be Yoshiya: ??? (I don't think Shkanon theory even talks about this) I know about the comparison of Maria and Sakutaro, too. Whenever Sakutaro spoke, it was really Maria playacting as him. We can apply the same to Sayo, right? Sayo was just playacting as each imaginary person or personality. In the same way, Gohda can playact as a magical chef. And Nanjo can playact as his own granddaughter too (or is that going too far?). |
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2010-04-24, 23:48 | Link #9093 | |
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Heck there is even a theory that Beatrice is a teapot.
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2010-04-24, 23:49 | Link #9094 |
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Oh, sorry, there's one more usage in EP6.
例外一ヶ所を除いて、客室に戦人が存在しないことを確認しました。 Ushiromiya Battler does not exist in the guest room. ...That's including the closet, with no exceptions whatsoever. It's used for Battler as well. Although we know his physical body should also not be in the room. At least if we are to believe the scene and the reds. In episode 6, yes. Except for two lines about Erika checking Battler. In EP4-6 there are ones used for Kinzo. |
2010-04-24, 23:51 | Link #9095 |
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@SeagullCrazy:
Yes, but any of those people can also be the murderer. You wouldn't say "Oh no, we have so many suspects it's impossible to find out who did it." You use logic and clues to try and guess who it is, or, which is much more interesting in my opinion, why it is that person.
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2010-04-24, 23:51 | Link #9096 | |
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The personalities would probably just be the Servants names.
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2010-04-24, 23:51 | Link #9097 |
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Furudo Erika washes up onshore in Episodes 5 and 6, barely alive. She dies almost immediately. Therefore, the number of humans on the island is raised to eighteen. However, as Battler and Beato confirm, there are only 17 people on the island. "Erika" as used in the red text refers to either Erika's corpse, as in the case of it being in the parlour in Episode 5, or the player Erika, whose objective perspective is based on the immediate location of her corpse.
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2010-04-24, 23:52 | Link #9098 | |
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2010-04-24, 23:53 | Link #9099 | |
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He entered the guest room to hide himself and thought that setting the chain lock would give him security. Then he died while hiding in the closet. This is similar to what Natsuhi did in EP5. EDIT: If this is true, I would have to say that Kanon is actually a high value target for the culprit. And so that could be one reason why he fakes his own death. And that doesn't denies him going rogue and trying to find out what's going on; even going to the point of say killing Nanjo in EP3. |
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2010-04-24, 23:54 | Link #9100 | |
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"I'll be right back guys. I'm taking that corpse that washed up on the beach to go solve the epitaph." "Why do you need a corpse for that?" "I might get hungry." |
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