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Okay, searching the Internet I found this first impression on Yamato 2199, and I wonder if that is a common thing, or if this is just some weird notion. I can't get this though because I've seen the original for decades now, so I know what is happening at that point, and actually like how they changed it this time around, but just read this:
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The only complaint I see over and over again about the CGI. Specifically the lack of mass of the ships. Probably the one major high speed turn that Kirishima does to fire her bow missiles and guns. The CGI is refered to as awful due to that sort of thing as most are use to capital ships moving like massive vessels (Battlestar Galactica is usually brought up) that turn slowly and ponderously. The complaint being that the ships turn too fast and precisely. More like the Babylon 5 "Starfury" fighters or small ships than what one would think of as a capital ship. (Oddly enough, the White Star is much larger than the Kirishima)
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2013-04-15, 23:56 | Link #2042 |
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I can kind of see where the guy is coming in that more could have been done to give the impression that the Kirishima was actually in danger and the Yukikaze's sacrifice was necessary (maybe they could have shown some Gamilas destroyers in hot pursuit or something) but I didn't find it detracted from the story very much. I generally liked the episode enough to be willing to forgive some nitpicks here and there though (in particular a couple of aerospace craft seemed to go kaput for little apparent reason).
Anyhow, I'd heard good things about this series and found it to be generally pretty good despite some things that bugged me. Good enough that I ended up deciding to watch the second episode when my plans for watching some other things on the evening I watched the first episode fell through. And then I ended up watching all fourteen of the currently subbed episodes in the space of a few days. It's kind of too bad this series isn't getting more weekly sub releases. It might help bring some attention from the people on this forum. |
2013-04-16, 00:04 | Link #2043 | ||
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I actually did a mid-episode rant the second time one of the fighters spontaneously combusted. For them making such a big deal about losing their "precious fighters" they sure as hell don't maintain (or build) them very well at all. Fortunately all of my complaints about this series are really minor things. Stuff that's tends to be less vital or intended to be tiny little plot devices. I'd struggle to find any really major complaints that have a solid foundation.
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2013-04-16, 00:25 | Link #2044 |
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To be fair their have been a lot of historical fighter aircraft that have been limited by what their engines were capable of handling. The F-14A Tomcat was a good example, one pilot reportedly stated that "Any aggressive move you wanted to make, you had to worry about how the engines would like it -- like you had to ask their permission." (Quote is from this page.) And who is going to fly an aircraft more aggressively than a fighter pilot in the heat of combat?
That being said, the engine problems in this series often seem to happen out of nowhere when its convenient for storytelling purposes. :lol: |
2013-04-16, 00:33 | Link #2046 | |
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We're already up to 14 and I see no chance of fighter craft failing at random for any reason but to guide characters in the foreseeable future. It works, but it's a bit silly.
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2013-04-16, 00:44 | Link #2047 |
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The reason why the whole Cosmo Zero incident happens at the end of the first episode is because it's from the original series — and it's a plot device that moves the two main characters to the site of the camouflaged Yamato, to match the iconic and memorable climax of the 1974 episode. As for the dog fight between Melda and Yamamoto; Yamamoto pushed the Cosmo Falcon beyond it's limits — it wasn't her plane to begin with (she pilots the Cosmo Zero Alpha 2), she "borrowed" it — and blew out her engine. These things happen in real life, too. Have any of you ever been to an airshow? :P
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2013-04-16, 00:55 | Link #2048 |
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Things burning in space is as a thing for Yamato. It could almost be the trope namer of such a thing if they didn't do it for every space serial from the 1930s because they had no clue what space was like.
A typical major battle for Yamato in the old series resulted in Yamato catching fire somewhere near the aft turrets and have flame and smoke trailing the ship for several minutes while stuff was going on. It was just a thing one accepted after a while. The new show still has the ship trail smoke. As for the fighters, the Cosmo Zero was the prototype for the two seater fighter (the two they have on Yamato are single seat fighters), and was not quite working yet as it turned out. The Comso Falcon is slightly older, but still fairly new to carrier ops, and it is entirely possible that Akira pulled the thing into some manuever it wasn't designed to handle (because some planes can't do certain things without stressing it beyond specs.) What I'd like to know is who's fighter that was. Are their enough pilots for all the fighers? They have 36 Cosmo Falcons, but only 32 were built and flyable. They lost one with its pilot, so they are down one pilot which by Kato's words are much more valuable than the planes are. We've only seen about ten flying at once. I've not paused the video to count how many pilots they have though. Plus they don't seem to have had pilots assigned to the Cosmo Zeros, which I find odd. Though there are only two of those. Supposedly marked as squadron leader fighters since they have a barrier system and all that. Though we've not seen that system used yet.
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As for Yamamoto's borrowed fighter — engines blow up. In real life. Why is that not acceptable to you?
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2013-04-16, 01:12 | Link #2051 |
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They could have been killed on Yamato or those two fighters were assigned to some of the officers that died before Yamato launched. I was going to say there would have been assigned to Mamoru Kodia and Kato, but I can't say for sure. What Susumu can fly the prototype right out the hanger, he didn't know what it was. One would guess that UN fighter designs have somewhat standarized controls as we know he was qualified to fly the Type 100 and must have had some fighter training to not only catch that Gamilas recon fighter, but also to be assigned to be the ship's Tactical Officer and be allowed to take out one of the ship's Cosmo Zeros. Yamamoto said she'd been training, but was rejected for personal reason, not anything against her performance. We don't know what she was training on, but since the Cosmo Falcon seems to be the main UN fighter, it was probably that. Unless somehow they've been training new pilots for what they thought was going to be their future Cosmo Zero squadrons.
Another thing to speculate on. Was the Cosmo Zero made specifically for Yamato, or had the UN been attempting to build some other kind of carrier during the war? The Cosmo Falcons were modified for carrier Ops because the Cosmo Zero had production problems. But aside from Yamato, what was the purpose of having Carrier capable fighters for the UN? Have one or two docked in Kirishima or the cruisers?
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Which brings me to the funny part. I found it humorous because he ironically was killed by water, in space. I'm not saying the water part doesn't make sense, but you don't really start watching a space opera and expect to see that. It's not that the death was funny, the circumstances were ironic.
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There are plenty of examples of people drowning in spaceships in film and literature. Seek them out... if you dare! Speaking of irony; everyone who has been with us since Page 1, now that the show is airing on television in Japan, get ready for a flood of fun (pun intended)!
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2013-04-16, 02:57 | Link #2055 |
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August, the irony in that last post is that you missnamed the only guy who died and whose name we know. HE WAS SUGIYAMA, DAMN IT!!! XD
And "flood of fun"??? Really?! XD It might begin as fun but after we get a few pages of futile debates i think it'll get old really fast and turn into annoying. I'm thinking of getting an image of Picard facepalming with "too stupid to deserve an answer" writen on it. I think i'd get a lot of use for it. As for drowning in space, they were sunk on an ocean at the time. The chances of death by drowning increase tremendously when submerged in water, or at least só i've heard. But to be fair, Enomoto-san does ask "who wants to drown in a spaceship? Not me!" |
2013-04-17, 23:39 | Link #2058 |
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As a note, when I referred to "a couple aerospace craft going kaput for little apparent reason" I was also referencing the Iscandar ship in Episode 1 as well.
On another note, are we going to just be discussing everything that's been subtitled so far without restriction, or are we going to concentrate on specific episodes as they're airing? Ideally I'd like to see a separate thread for discussions of the TV episodes as they're airing (there are two separate discussion threads for Red Data Girl since the online stream is two episodes ahead of the TV broadcast) while this thread can be used to discuss all the episodes so far regardless of whether they've aired on TV or not, but I'm not sure if the mods/admins would go for that. |
2013-04-17, 23:44 | Link #2059 |
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Well if the travel time from Neptune to Mars is to be believed, the Iscandarian ship is travelling in realspace at about 25 times the speed of light to make that distance in 10 minutes.
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2013-04-18, 06:31 | Link #2060 |
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That's space opera magic, like shots of the solar system where you see all the planets in one shot. It's a visual thing. Actually the ship is probably using some FTL tech but flying through normal space, much like the ships in Star Trek, while warp and Geschtam use alternate dimension ship displacement to instantly jump from point A to point B. At least that's how i look at it.
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