What's with all this Orihime hate?

[Animepandafreak]

Originally Posted by bleachnut

Well I can't stand her because she came way too close to sexually assaulting Ichigo. Not only that she cried and whined because she wanted to fight alongside everyone else, but when the moment presented itself, (Ulq blocking her path on her way back to the living world) she didn't fight at ALL. Not only did she not fight, she met him at the designated spot so that he could take her back to HM. That is not a character I can like or respect.

I think the best thing to do is to kill off her useless character.

No she did not come close to sexually assultin him, it was just a mire kiss but she couldn't do it. she didn't cry and wince she wanted to be able to fight. she was trainin w/ rukia. She was sad, but still. She was also protecting her friends, that's way she listened and met him. She's not useless though, she can heal real good, and can learn to fight. Maybe she needs a good kick in the butt 2 get in gear but she's aint thhhat bad. As many of u ppl say. Don't b haters

[Mr. DJ]

leave her in Kenpachi's squad for a year or so, lets see how that rounds her off :3

[HayashiTakara]

Originally Posted by Utsukushii Hono'o

For me it's...

Spoiler for Savin Space:

For me....*points upward* I have issues with her self esteem. I can't understand what you don't understand. Not agreeing is one thing.

Or are you asking another person? I am assuming you mean me.
Since I am the one who brought it up...


Why don't you like her? (You don't seem to like her) My reasoning is not so different than yours.

And Rukia is suicidal, but you don't wanna open up them can of worms.

Originally Posted by DjTrizz

aw...I thought I was sane too :'(

lol *pats on back* I was referring to the dark side.

[Hari Michiru]

Would it make you feel better if the entire world agreed that Rukia is an emo, suicidial, worthless, weak, ugly fool, while Orihime is the epitome of perfection, beautiful, tragic, and strong as steel?

[kagato3]

No, because Orihime isn't. I'm just sick of the whole double standard that fans of the Rukia Ichigo faction have that they can't even admit that at times Rukia was the exact same or worse in doing the exact same things that they are claiming to hate Orihime for.

Lets face it for almost half the story Rukia has been nothing more then an overblown cheerleader for Ichigo being weaker then Chad was before he got his powers and her track record after getting her powers back hasn't be that steller either. As for Orihime she does try to fight but has consently been put up against people that vastly overpower her, examples: trying to take on Espada 4 and 10 by herself, failed because Yami just plain over powered her, planning on confronting Espada 4 to protect her escorts, failed beacuse they were oneshoted but she still healed them while confronting Ulq someone that I'll remind people that can overpower Ichigo, the fangirls were trying and failed to provke her.

People claim Orihime is a huge Emo, but fail to remember the reasons like the fact she was depressed because Ichigo was about 10 times worse. Pretty much everyone between the SS arc and the HM arc where in full on emo mode. Ichigo and his hollow problems, Ishida because he lost his powers, Chad because he felt useless to Ichigo to the point he was almost crying. Aside from the time she has been crying because she has been feeling her friends dieing, she has broken down twice, frustration that she felt helpless in brakeing Ichigo out of his depression and when Urahara baseily tells her she is useless, both related to her self esteime issues that have been there since the begaining and she did not dwell on them in fact the first was the end of her week long depression the second didn't even last 30 mins. I'm not even going to go into Rukia durring the SS arc. Orihime wears her hart on her sleave, Rukia does not.

[Hari Michiru]

And that's why I'm admitting that Rukia is an emo, suicidial, worthless, weak, ugly fool, while Orihime is the epitome of perfection, beautiful, tragic, and strong as steel.

[Animepandafreak]

Originally Posted by kagato3

No, because Orihime isn't. I'm just sick of the whole double standard that fans of the Rukia Ichigo faction have that they can't even admit that at times Rukia was the exact same or worse in doing the exact same things that they are claiming to hate Orihime for.

Lets face it for almost half the story Rukia has been nothing more then an overblown cheerleader for Ichigo being weaker then Chad was before he got his powers and her track record after getting her powers back hasn't be that steller either. As for Orihime she does try to fight but has consently been put up against people that vastly overpower her, examples: trying to take on Espada 4 and 10 by herself, failed because Yami just plain over powered her, planning on confronting Espada 4 to protect her escorts, failed beacuse they were oneshoted but she still healed them while confronting Ulq someone that I'll remind people that can overpower Ichigo, the fangirls were trying and failed to provke her.

People claim Orihime is a huge Emo, but fail to remember the reasons like the fact she was depressed because Ichigo was about 10 times worse. Pretty much everyone between the SS arc and the HM arc where in full on emo mode. Ichigo and his hollow problems, Ishida because he lost his powers, Chad because he felt useless to Ichigo to the point he was almost crying. Aside from the time she has been crying because she has been feeling her friends dieing, she has broken down twice, frustration that she felt helpless in brakeing Ichigo out of his depression and when Urahara baseily tells her she is useless, both related to her self esteime issues that have been there since the begaining and she did not dwell on them in fact the first was the end of her week long depression the second didn't even last 30 mins. I'm not even going to go into Rukia durring the SS arc. Orihime wears her hart on her sleave, Rukia does not.

I agree, that's wat alot of these ppls can't help 2 graspst.

Originally Posted by Hari Michiru

And that's why I'm admitting that Rukia is an emo, suicidial, worthless, weak, ugly fool, while Orihime is the epitome of perfection, beautiful, tragic, and strong as steel.

I don't think rukia all those things, I mean she's cool. Noones perfect.
Orihime is totally cool and so is rukia.


And I think that all ichigos friends r close 2 him. He has a diiff kind of relationship w/ each of them. But honestly idk who ichigo would pick, cuz honestly i can't really tell whos he's more interested in....orihime or rukia. (even though i personally like orihime 4 him *shrugs*)

[Hari Michiru]

Originally Posted by Animepandafreak

I don't think rukia all those things, I mean she's cool. Noones perfect.
Orihime is totally cool and so is rukia.

I was being sarcastic xD.

[Animepandafreak]

Originally Posted by Hari Michiru

I was being sarcastic xD.

o...(im a idiot)

[Scarlett_Rain55]

You go Kagato! Orihime crying and whining is all justified especially when there are characters in Bleach who've handled it much worse. People are just annoyed by it because they hate her, or they don't like her voice.

[Hari Michiru]

Originally Posted by kagato3

Orihime wears her hart on her sleave, Rukia does not.

Which is why I like Rukia more than Orihime. =)

[Scarlett_Rain55]

Lol I read an interesting comment somewhere.

"Personally I am dispointed with Orihime, Tatsuki was a friend who stand by her for years and protected her and she got dumped for Ichigo. I guess Orihime is the kind of girl who would ditch friends for a boy even if the boy hasnt shown any particular interest in her. Personally I think Orihime is the worst choice for Ichigo and just because She has spoken of her love doesnt mean she deserves his love. When you get to HM you’ll know what I mean. Rukia may have not verbally spoken about her love for Ichigo, she has proven her love through her actions unlike Orihime who is all talk and no action (not to mention self obsess) If KT is stupid enough to go for Orihime - Ichigo relations that would be the end of Bleach for me."

"I think you wouldn’t say the same if Rukia was to say goodbye to one person only and she chooses Ichigo over Renji although Renji is her childhood friend."

LOL OWNED!

Sorry I just had to get that out somewhere.

[Hari Michiru]

Originally Posted by Scarlett_Rain55

Lol I read an interesting comment somewhere.

"Personally I am dispointed with Orihime, Tatsuki was a friend who stand by her for years and protected her and she got dumped for Ichigo. I guess Orihime is the kind of girl who would ditch friends for a boy even if the boy hasnt shown any particular interest in her. Personally I think Orihime is the worst choice for Ichigo and just because She has spoken of her love doesnt mean she deserves his love. When you get to HM you’ll know what I mean. Rukia may have not verbally spoken about her love for Ichigo, she has proven her love through her actions unlike Orihime who is all talk and no action (not to mention self obsess) If KT is stupid enough to go for Orihime - Ichigo relations that would be the end of Bleach for me."

"I think you wouldn’t say the same if Rukia was to say goodbye to one person only and she chooses Ichigo over Renji although Renji is her childhood friend."

LOL OWNED!

Sorry I just had to get that out somewhere.

Renji was the one who ditched her though.

[Animepandafreak]

Originally Posted by Scarlett_Rain55

Lol I read an interesting comment somewhere.

"Personally I am dispointed with Orihime, Tatsuki was a friend who stand by her for years and protected her and she got dumped for Ichigo. I guess Orihime is the kind of girl who would ditch friends for a boy even if the boy hasnt shown any particular interest in her. Personally I think Orihime is the worst choice for Ichigo and just because She has spoken of her love doesnt mean she deserves his love. When you get to HM you’ll know what I mean. Rukia may have not verbally spoken about her love for Ichigo, she has proven her love through her actions unlike Orihime who is all talk and no action (not to mention self obsess) If KT is stupid enough to go for Orihime - Ichigo relations that would be the end of Bleach for me."

"I think you wouldn’t say the same if Rukia was to say goodbye to one person only and she chooses Ichigo over Renji although Renji is her childhood friend."

LOL OWNED!

Sorry I just had to get that out somewhere.

point...
but she could of said bye 2 tatsuki, she just really loved ichigo

Originally Posted by Hari Michiru

Renji was the one who ditched her though.

why renji ditch her

[Scarlett_Rain55]

She did try to visit Tatsuki though. It was shown in the filler. (I know it's filler, but that episode was exactly what Kubo had in mind, he just didn't have the time or enough panels).

[Mr. DJ]

Originally Posted by Scarlett_Rain55

Lol I read an interesting comment somewhere.

"Personally I am dispointed with Orihime, Tatsuki was a friend who stand by her for years and protected her and she got dumped for Ichigo. I guess Orihime is the kind of girl who would ditch friends for a boy even if the boy hasnt shown any particular interest in her. Personally I think Orihime is the worst choice for Ichigo and just because She has spoken of her love doesnt mean she deserves his love. When you get to HM you’ll know what I mean. Rukia may have not verbally spoken about her love for Ichigo, she has proven her love through her actions unlike Orihime who is all talk and no action (not to mention self obsess) If KT is stupid enough to go for Orihime - Ichigo relations that would be the end of Bleach for me."

"I think you wouldn’t say the same if Rukia was to say goodbye to one person only and she chooses Ichigo over Renji although Renji is her childhood friend."

LOL OWNED!

Sorry I just had to get that out somewhere.

wonder if that person knows that Tatsuki has supported and encouraged Orihime in her feelings for Ichigo.

[Marionette]

Originally Posted by Langus

If you think I'm going to read that massive wall of text to find your argument, sorry but no, I have better things to do.

I wasn't asking why you specifically don't like her.

I was asking why anti-Orihime Bleach fans in general attempt to design a difference between her kidnap/rescue arc and Rukia's kidnap/rescue arc (because I've seen this come up again and again in discussion).

Their goals were the same, their emotional state was the same. Orihime was no more or less "emo" than Rukia during her imprisonment. They've both been equally as useless since they were set free (though technically Orihime's "freedom" is still somewhat temporary). And they BOTH had low self esteem during their imprisonment - Orihime because she feels useless, Rukia because she killed Kaien and felt so guilty over it she didn't think she deserved to live. Any way you slice it, low self esteem is low self esteem. The cause, whatever it may be, doesn't many it any more or less justified or acceptable.

Honestly, there are dozens of more valid reasons to pick to not like Orihime's character besides this one.

Spoiler for My reasons for disliking Orihime - if you care to read...:

I, for one, am annoyed with how Kubo took a character that had the potential to be really interesting and turned her into a typical female mouthpiece in a shonen manga - they contribute nothing and do nothing (Sakura from Naruto anyone?).

That's just the manga. Switch over to the anime and my reason for despising her stems in large part from the constant use of unnecessary "Kurosaki-kuns" on her part. I mean at this point it'd be laughable if it were so damn annoying.

There is also the Ichigo factor to dislike. Kubo has made it so that her character centers ENTIRELY around Ichigo. Entirely. Now, I don't mean to get all pro-feminist on you but I for one would like my female characters to have a little more character depth than that. She can love him without it being such an all consuming aspect of who she is. Who was Orihime before Ichigo? It seems like that part of her life doesn't even matter - Orihime only began to exist the day Ichigo paid her attention. I'd love to see more episodes with her and Tatsuki since they have a real connection that could explore aspects of her character that AREN'T defined by her "Kurosaki-kun" and what he's doing or what he's brooding over.

Also, for the most part, I find her character in general to be a tad annoying. I can't stand ditzy girls in real life so I don't particularly want to watch them in my anime. While many find Orihime's quirks cute or funny I've always been irritated by them. If I ever met someone like her in life I'd end up giving them a WTF face and saying "What's wrong with you?"

So there you have it, my short list for why I dislike Orihime's character without a Rukia comparison in sight. It can be done.

Actually, the situation is completely different. Orihime got kidnapped by a known enemy, Rukia was sent to jail by a government she believed strongly in. She accepted her fate because she she did break the law, and like her brother, she will defend the law at almost all cost. I think that's the underlying reason she decided to accepted the death sentence, Kaien's death merely added to it.

And no, guilt over killing someone you admire is not the same as the low self-esteem issues teenagers have.

Originally Posted by Animepandafreak

No she did not come close to sexually assultin him, it was just a mire kiss but she couldn't do it. she didn't cry and wince she wanted to be able to fight. she was trainin w/ rukia. She was sad, but still. She was also protecting her friends, that's way she listened and met him. She's not useless though, she can heal real good, and can learn to fight. Maybe she needs a good kick in the butt 2 get in gear but she's aint thhhat bad. As many of u ppl say. Don't b haters

Actually, it technically is. A kiss on the lips is a sexual act, and performing sexual act on someone who is not able to give consent is sexual assault. If she did anything more perverse, it would be called rape.

I don't hold it against her though, because she didn't actually do it. I'd be pretty pissed if some guy who fantasized about me actually snack into my room while I'm asleep and made out with me, I think anyone would be.

[Langus]

Originally Posted by Marionette

Actually, the situation is completely different. Orihime got kidnapped by a known enemy, Rukia was sent to jail by a government she believed strongly in. She accepted her fate because she she did break the law, and like her brother, she will defend the law at almost all cost. I think that's the underlying reason she decided to accepted the death sentence, Kaien's death merely added to it.

And no, guilt over killing someone you admire is not the same as the low self-esteem issues teenagers have.

Actually, it technically is. A kiss on the lips is a sexual act, and performing sexual act on someone who is not able to give consent is sexual assault. If she did anything more perverse, it would be called rape.

I don't hold it against her though, because she didn't actually do it. I'd be pretty pissed if some guy who fantasized about me actually snack into my room while I'm asleep and made out with me, I think anyone would be.

Well, considering the show was written from Ichigo's perspective, they are one and the same. As far as he was concerned, SS WAS the enemy because they wanted to execute Rukia, just as much as the Espada were the enemy for kidnapping Orihime. No difference there whatsoever as far as Ichigo was concerned.

Also, Rukia's guilt over killing Kaien gave her a low sense of self-worth. She didn't feel she deserved to be saved. There is very little difference between that sentiment and Orihime's idea that she's not helpful and therefore not worth saving. Both girls were adverse to the idea of their friends (Ichigo) risking their lives and well being to "save" them. Regardless of the semantics, their thoughts in their perspective rescue arcs were the same, as were their "emo" moments. There is NO DIFFERENCE so stop trying to distinguish between them.

At this point all you guys are doing is splitting hairs over a really stupid issue for the sake of making Rukia "look better." If you like Rukia better, that's fine, but don't make out like she's made of pure win while Orihime's self deprecating attitude is something that's limited ONLY to her.

[sayde]

Originally Posted by Marionette

I'd be pretty pissed if some guy who fantasized about me actually snack into my room while I'm asleep and made out with me, I think anyone would be.

That's starting to enter double standard territory. Because while I'd be pissed (among a bunch of other things) if some guy tried to make out with me while I was sleeping, I can tell you right now, I wouldn't feel the same way if it was an attractive woman instead...not even a little bit.

[Marionette]

Originally Posted by Langus

Well, considering the show was written from Ichigo's perspective, they are one and the same. As far as he was concerned, SS WAS the enemy because they wanted to execute Rukia, just as much as the Espada were the enemy for kidnapping Orihime. No difference there whatsoever as far as Ichigo was concerned.

Also, Rukia's guilt over killing Kaien gave her a low sense of self-worth. She didn't feel she deserved to be saved. There is very little difference between that sentiment and Orihime's idea that she's not helpful and therefore not worth saving. Both girls were adverse to the idea of their friends (Ichigo) risking their lives and well being to "save" them. Regardless of the semantics, their thoughts in their perspective rescue arcs were the same, as were their "emo" moments. There is NO DIFFERENCE so stop trying to distinguish between them.

At this point all you guys are doing is splitting hairs over a really stupid issue for the sake of making Rukia "look better." If you like Rukia better, that's fine, but don't make out like she's made of pure win while Orihime's self deprecating attitude is something that's limited ONLY to her.

Are you kidding? The show is from Ichigo's perspective so if he see a flat earth (as it would be from a human perspective) than the earth is flat? Ichigo doesn't know Orihime likes him (supposedly) than it makes no difference that she does? Ichigo think the SS is the enemy so they are Rukia's enemy also? That makes no sense even if Bleach is told only from Ichigo's perspective, and it isn't.

Don't tell me that I'm "splitting hairs over a really stupid issue" because you assume so, because I'm not telling you that you are not capable of complex thoughts although at this point I'm starting to assume that.

And again: guilt over killing someone you admire is not the same thing as having low self-esteem. That doesn't even to be explained, that would be stating the obvious, just out your self in that position for a moment. Would you feel the same about killing your mentor and as you would about sucking at fighting/comforting your crush/getting his/her attention?

Originally Posted by sayde

That's starting to enter double standard territory. Because while I'd be pissed (among a bunch of other things) if some guy tried to make out with me while I was sleeping, I can tell you right now, I wouldn't feel the same way if it was an attractive woman instead...not even a little bit.

It is still sexual assault. Whether you are a man or a woman and whether you are pressing charges or not. And you =/= Ichigo. Just because some guys don't give a shit who they date as long as they get action from a hot girl doesn't mean that Ichigo is one of them.