Lucky Star (Generic Discussion thread)

[KiNA]

@ vhx.. Just consider yourself not otaku enough to understand some of the jokes ... this anime would definitely not be your taste till the end. The other some are just a slice of life drama.. ordinary peoples talking about ordinary thing.. your call, if you dont like episode 1, I would suggest you never bother wasting your bandwidth to download subsequent episodes either.

[Duo Maxwell]

Originally Posted by kenjiharima

Thread for LS haters? It's like saying lets make a flame thread for a certain anime. I feel I don't like to have a thread like that and besides it's their option not to watch LS if they're LS haters.

C'mon, I was just joking ^^".
It's just kind of frustrating to see the same questiong being asked over and over.
How about asking "What's so interesting about LS" in Q&A thread.....?

[Vexx]

Originally Posted by Duo Maxwell

How many times I have read this kind of question, I wonder
Now I think we should consider about having a thread for LS haters. It'll be easy for new fan or anti-fan to navigate where they should go first .

I wouldn't call them "haters" (at least not initially)... more like "don't getters".
Later, the insecurity over not getting it does cause some to start "hating" though ... a classic human behavior.

That last remark was a bit rude, don't you think, dKiWi? "Good" is a subjective term... although I can recognize when something is "good" even if *I* don't care for it.
A lot of opera and ballet is good.... though I can't sit through it. Some forms of music I can't stand -- though I can recognize which ones are excellent examples of the genre.
Lucky*Star, I feel like is a fine carry-forward of a type of comedy I enjoy immensely - but, like Monty Python, Hitchhiker's Guide, Mr. Bean, National Lampoon, Stephan Wright .... there's a lot of people who just sit there and scratch their heads. If they're mature about it, they just shrug that its not hitting their "funny" ... if they're insecure about that - they say it sucks and anyone who likes it is stupid.

You don't have to *be* otaku to get all the jokes... you just have to know *about* otaku-ness. Just remember.... geek/nerd does not equate to 'otaku' (there's just a large overlap). Dorktower is a good reference material for that overlap

[Daniel E.]

It's interesting when people get worked up about the slightest comment here.

If you believe someone is being extremely negative about a show in their comments, you must also believe other people can be extremely positive about it.

Both are the same in more than one way, yet, you rarely see the second one being questioned or challenged.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Originally Posted by dKiWi

I personally have watched Lucky Star episode 1 five times, episode 2 seven times and episode 3 four times and counting (episode 3 is the best so far). Looks like I'm gonna watch episode 3 alot of times, should be at least ten.

One of the best SoL anime of all time is Azumanga Daioh. This one I can re-watch a few million times. I thought Lucky Star was going to be inferior to Azumanga Daioh until episode 3.

If you think a series this good doesn't deserve its own section, you are better off not watching anime at all in my opinion.

You must have an unbelievable amount of time on your hands. And don't you think you are overexaggerating the compexity and impact of Lucky Star just a wee bit. You're making it sound like it's the greatest comedy ever written or something. You don't need to scare the guy into not watching it by making him feel unworthy and too dumb to watch it. Let's keep an open mind over a curious personality, the same way people kept an open mind about me when I jumped into Haruhi and the 21st century last sum....Wait....is that what happened with me? Man slice of life fans can be unwelcoming, but for a few. It's almost no wonder why new initiates can be turned off very quickly in the beginning (like me last summer with Haruhi).

Hey Daniel E. sorry I can't postive rep you for your post yet (I'd almost give you 3 reps for nailing it right on the head with what I've been trying to say. Since nobody listens to me, hopefully they will listen to your wisdom). What you said in the second paragraph is what I've been trying to explain to people in relation to accusations of trolling. Except replace extremely negative with moderately negative in my case and you've got it. I'll paint a picture of my personal theory regarding environments of popular anime.



There seems to be no room for dissent on boards of these types of shows. What I find interesting is that if you go to a board on say Darker Than Black, it's completely civil.

[NaweG]

It's interesting that the issue of what constitutes "quality" is a big deal in the business world as well.

At the risk of sounding like an old fogey (guess I am actually), as part of my PMP certification the PMI folks preach that quality is how well the end product matches the requirements. IOW, if the requirements say "use bailing wire" and your end product does, in fact, use bailing wire, then the final product is of good quality.

Now, you may say that the requirements should specify something more substantial, but that's not a quality issue. That's someone either misunderstanding what they were asking for, or having decided that they needed to cut corners somewhere to match the budget.

SO... for a series like LS, the quality question is, does this do a good job of bringing the manga to life? If it does, then it's a quality adaption even if you don't particularly care for this type of series - in which case you should look for something where the requirements and your tastes align better.

All that said, how long until ep 4?

[dKiWi]

Originally Posted by Kaioshin_Sama

You must have an unbelievable amount of time on your hands. And don't you think you are overexaggerating the compexity and impact of Lucky Star just a wee bit. You're making it sound like it's the greatest comedy ever written or something. You don't need to scare the guy into not watching it by making him feel unworthy and too dumb to watch it. Let's keep an open mind over a curious personality, the same way people kept an open mind about me when I jumped into Haruhi and the 21st century last sum....Wait....is that what happened with me? Man slice of life fans can be unwelcoming, but for a few. It's almost no wonder why new initiates can be turned off very quickly in the beginning (like me last summer with Haruhi).

Actually its more like I get back from work pissed off with the world, and I decide to watch the OP to destress, then I end up watching the entire episode. Can't... click... the... X... gah. Too good. This repeats almost everyday. I end up watching about 4 anime every season and may end up dropping at least 2, which explains my excess time. Rather watch 1 series to death.

And its not like I want to scare anyone but it isn't like I wasn't offended by what he wrote. And I was dismally disappointed by the lack of counter-arguements.

Usually I rather not actually post in these forums and just leech information, and recently have not been browsing too much. But posts like this has changed my mentality for good.

[Vexx]

Originally Posted by NaweG

It's interesting that the issue of what constitutes "quality" is a big deal in the business world as well.

At the risk of sounding like an old fogey (guess I am actually), as part of my PMP certification the PMI folks preach that quality is how well the end product matches the requirements. IOW, if the requirements say "use bailing wire" and your end product does, in fact, use bailing wire, then the final product is of good quality.

Now, you may say that the requirements should specify something more substantial, but that's not a quality issue. That's someone either misunderstanding what they were asking for, or having decided that they needed to cut corners somewhere to match the budget.

SO... for a series like LS, the quality question is, does this do a good job of bringing the manga to life? If it does, then it's a quality adaption even if you don't particularly care for this type of series - in which case you should look for something where the requirements and your tastes align better.

All that said, how long until ep 4?

Quoted in entirety for Great Truth....

The release pattern so far has been
LC usually releases their "speed sub" on Tuesday...
a.f.k. usually on Wednesday...
The other vary.

I've taken a look at Eien no Anime's releases.... people who are somewhat unhappy with some of a.f.k.'s choices in translation or grimacing at some of LC's efforts might consider looking at EnA. They sort of occupy a middle ground -- definitely some errors but for 'no apparent reason' they didn't distract me so much. Their font and color choices for subtitling also scored a "win" from the Queen-of-picky about such things in my home.

P.S. I've watched the L*S episodes probably as many times as dKiWi (though in some cases it was to check translations) a good deal of it was just because I was channeling the enjoyment I get out of the show ... from the simple BGMs to the OP to just watching the character animation.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Originally Posted by Vexx

Quoted in entirety for Great Truth....

The release pattern so far has been
LC usually releases their "speed sub" on Tuesday...
a.f.k. usually on Wednesday...
The other vary.

I've taken a look at Eien no Anime's releases.... people who are somewhat unhappy with some of a.f.k.'s choices in translation or grimacing at some of LC's efforts might consider looking at EnA. They sort of occupy a middle ground -- definitely some errors but for 'no apparent reason' they didn't distract me so much. Their font and color choices for subtitling also scored a "win" from the Queen-of-picky about such things in my home.

P.S. I've watched the L*S episodes probably as many times as dKiWi (though in some cases it was to check translations) a good deal of it was just because I was channeling the enjoyment I get out of the show ... from the simple BGMs to the OP to just watching the character animation.

I think the most times I have ever watched an episode was 5 for Kuroi Gundam the first episode Zeta Gundam. I saw it once subbed, again once subbed, then I saw it with a friend on my R1 Dvd's then again with my friend and his brother because I was needed as Mr. Explanation guy and then again with my friends brother and her girlfriend for the same reason. Each time I enjoyed it a little less, I also think I got up and went to make something to eat during the 5th time.

[Ffenix Rising]

Originally Posted by NaweG

All that said, how long until ep 4?

Sometime tomorrow night there'll be raw/unsubtitled videos, in 2-3 days you'll see Lucky-Channel's fansubs, and in 4-5 days you'll see AFK's version.

[Samatarou]

Originally Posted by Kaioshin_Sama

I think the most times I have ever watched an episode was 5

Ah... heh heh... 5 times is a lot? (quietly slinks away)

I have absolutely no idea how many times I've watched some episodes of Haruhi, Karin, and similar classics... but if AVIs could wear out... I guess I watch anime like most people listen to CDs... I mean most people listen to an album more than five times, right?

[Telliamed]

Originally Posted by dKiWi

I think if u're at least 17 u can catch the above sexual reference. So you think its juz dumb talk abt food eh? Its more sophisticated than meets the eye.

I thought it was just about food. And I thought it was humorous. I've even had conversations like that in real life. And we weren't thinking anything vulgar, at least not until someone with his mind in the gutter makes the suggestion. Then we just start laughing at him for his H-ness.

I personally have watched Lucky Star episode 1 five times, episode 2 seven times and episode 3 four times and counting (episode 3 is the best so far). Looks like I'm gonna watch episode 3 alot of times, should be at least ten.

They have medicine for OCD now, you know.

Originally Posted by NaweG

It's interesting that the issue of what constitutes "quality" is a big deal in the business world as well.

At the risk of sounding like an old fogey (guess I am actually), as part of my PMP certification the PMI folks preach that quality is how well the end product matches the requirements. IOW, if the requirements say "use bailing wire" and your end product does, in fact, use bailing wire, then the final product is of good quality.

And if the requirements are utterly brain-dead? Business documents try to describe three different things at the same time: What the client wants. What the client needs. And what the client asks for. By your judgement, you should always deliver the third.

Problem is, clients are often morons. If they knew what they were doing, they wouldn't need me to do it for them.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Originally Posted by Telliamed

They have medicine for OCD now, you know.

Funny you should mention, I have OCD for real and I still don't get the idea behind watching an anime episode more than maybe twice at the absolute most. Once your done with an episode I think its healthy to move onto the next one, or finish something else up you may have on the back-burner. I guess my OCD gimmick would be something of a gotta keep going nature.

[WanderingKnight]

Lucky Star is Seinen slice-of-life, and slice-of-life anime is much better than plot driven ones.

Uh-huh...

Now, I love slice of life, but that doesn't make a whole genre better than a whole lot of other genres...

[mukansa monkey]

I'm going to pick up the gauntlet here and try to write a good counter-argument to VHX's post.

The first issue here is that topically this show is dealing mostly with a relatively specialized set of topics related to otaku. Anime trends, MMORPGs, old sci-fi movies, etc. If you're not hugely into most of those topics, or don't care to have them analyzed self-referentially, it'll be harder for you to get much from this show. The humor in this show isn't 50% universal, unlike say, urinal jokes.

In order for a slice-of-life comedy to appeal to you, you must be passingly familiar with the particular slice that's being examined. For instance, multiple people in this thread (including myself) have been a bit awed at just how precisely the food conversation mirrors conversations we have had with our friends in real life. If you have never had a conversation even remotely resembling that one, it'll be rather hard to relate to. A lot of the value this show offers is in displaying common patterns (memes) such as conversation topics or stereotypes in their stark essence. In the first episode, the character Miyuki is introduced as a supremely cute-girl moe character. However, the specific details of what makes her moe are not only laid down with cold precision, she's then openly made fun of. So a fan of such moe is going to go Oooh! And then go Man, she's kind of lame for such a cute girl... but wait, when characters do lame stuff like that I think they're cute... what does that say about me? The trouble is that if your first reaction is "What a ditz", you're never going to get the rest of the chain of thought and the dramatic tension that it leads to.

Another reason to appreciate this show is the way in which it balances in-your-face commentary with subtle observations. An example of the first would be the scene where Konata explains to her friends that this kidnapper in the newspapers was probably trying to act out a common theme in adult games. The response is basically "How does a high school junior get to know so much about porn games?". A lot of viewers who immediately grokked Konata's explanation are now feeling something like Aaaugh, busted! For an example of something more subtle, consider the sequence where Konata visits Kagami who is at home sick. From Kagami's perspective Konata is largely annoying (mostly for failing to follow expectations of how to treat a sick person), but when Miyuki hears about it her take on Konata's behavior is radically more positive. The tricky thing is that Miyuki might actually be correct in her assessment, if you go back and rewatch the timing of the first part. There's an additional irony in that Miyuki's supposedly proper visit ends up looking like it's a lot more strain on the sick girl. This sort of thing encourages multiple viewings of the show, and increases appreciation for the levels of meaning that aren't often apparent at first (although I can't believe anyone didn't get Konata's suggestive motions when describing how to eat ice cream, that was *so* not-subtle).

So, this show does an impressively good job of exposing stereotypes, common assumptions, otaku excesses, etc. If you don't see them, or more importantly if you don't desire to watch a show that pushes you to think about that sort of thing, you're not likely to find this enjoyable. Those elements are there in abundance though, which is why there are quite a few fans for this show.

On to other subjects... I agree that people who can rewatch animes many times must have a lot more free time than I do. Unlike music, it's hard to watch anime while say, driving an hour one way to work. I have way too many hobbies to begin with though, doesn't help. And um, I've watched the OP about 100 times now. The first time I thought it sucked. The second time I decided it was oddly catchy. About the fifth time I started noticing the unusual use of time signatures. Around 50 I started making corrections to the translations. I think my wife is starting to wonder about me... of course she says I'm almost as cute as Miyuki, so I guess I've got her sufficiently deluded or something.
BTW Kaioshin-kun, Lucky Star *is* the greatest comedy ever written. You just haven't come out of the closet enough with your loli-moeness to admit it yet. And yer OCD? That explains a few of your odder posts.
:: makes a note to send Kaioshin a case of soap::

[Kaioshin Sama]

Originally Posted by mukansa monkey

BTW Kaioshin-kun, Lucky Star *is* the greatest comedy ever written. You just haven't come out of the closet enough with your loli-moeness to admit it yet. And yer OCD? That explains a few of your odder posts.
:: makes a note to send Kaioshin a case of soap::

I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Be that as it may, I still wouldn't deny that I prefer western comedy over anime style comedy. The best comedy ever written for me is something I watch daily. It's The Daily Show with Jon Stewart, blending raw political humour with a clever satire on the gimmicks of a primetime news program.

[Vexx]

Jon Stewart --- the only real reason to have cable

@the OP: yeah, the time signature changes really appealed to me as well (music geek, highschool and college band) ... there's just something marvelous about the shift from beat "rap" to the harmonic chorus.

[Ascaloth]

Originally Posted by dKiWi

Especially for people like me hu does a dumb security job (MINDEF MP) and spends most of my time sleeping.

....Wow, small world. That was the job I was doing until last December.

So, are you "outside" or "inside"? You know what I mean. And give me the answer by PM, you know what we do is pretty classified stuff.

And....just a piece of advice, try to avoid mentioning it in the future. Again, "classified", you know what I mean?

Originally Posted by mukansa monkey

In the first episode, the character Miyuki is introduced as a supremely cute-girl moe character. However, the specific details of what makes her moe are not only laid down with cold precision, she's then openly made fun of. So a fan of such moe is going to go Oooh! And then go Man, she's kind of lame for such a cute girl... but wait, when characters do lame stuff like that I think they're cute... what does that say about me? The trouble is that if your first reaction is "What a ditz", you're never going to get the rest of the chain of thought and the dramatic tension that it leads to.

...pal, you just left me feeling VERY depressed about myself.

Yep, that's right. Knew a girl in my schooling days who could rival Ayu in loli-ness, very much a ditz to boot, used to think she was cute then, but now I'm not so sure....

[dKiWi]

Originally Posted by Ascaloth

....Wow, small world. That was the job I was doing until last December.

So, are you "outside" or "inside"? You know what I mean. And give me the answer by PM, you know what we do is pretty classified stuff.

I am "outside". Wanted to say more but yeah as you said our job is classified. Too much stress for too little pay. Luckily we've got Lucky Star. In fact I shoudn't even have put that little detail abt my job in.

Originally Posted by Telliamed

I thought it was just about food. And I thought it was humorous. I've even had conversations like that in real life. And we weren't thinking anything vulgar, at least not until someone with his mind in the gutter makes the suggestion. Then we just start laughing at him for his H-ness.

Lol I am military, and I've been through shit like 2 weeks confinement from civilian pleasures. Yes, no girls, and I've seen some soldiers resort to some really disgusting acts in the barracks toilets (unfortunately. It was a WTF moment) which I have not engaged in. If u think my mind is in the gutter, think again.

The sexual reference I have pointed out is NOTHING. NOTHING damnit. And I do believe alot of people have noticed it but just declined to point out. In fact I am curious. What is the "gui gui" thing? Coz yea due to re-watching alot I do watch the works of numerous fansub groups lol.

[Jiji]

The "gui-gui" thing is something called "gitaigo" in Japanese. The Japanese language has TONS of words for things that are basically sound effect words. English has them too, but I've a suspicion that we have less. Words like "bam" "pop" or the like are what we're talking about here. There's a great guide at this site.

I'm glad you cleared up what level of security you're talking about (military), because at first, I was thinking "Wal-Mart? Classified? Give me a break..." :P