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immblueversion · 2012-01-20, 01:29

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Originally Posted by SilverSyko

But then again Sorcerer Battler can utilize magic and a sword unlike his piece counterpart can, so his play style could be changed up a bit. I s'pose I could think of him like the Ken to piece Battler's Ryu in such a scenario. (And how B. Battler is the "Evil Ryu" of the game.)

That's exactly what I'm hoping for.

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Originally Posted by SilverSyko

Speaking of hidden data on the game, it's a little disappointing to see that Rena hasn't been added to the game yet even after her name was found within the files of the first release.

Maybe we'll get lucky with some kind of future console port for Cross, similar to how the original game was ported to the Xbox 360 as Ougon Musou Kyoku X.

CrimsonMoonMist · 2012-01-20, 02:45

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Originally Posted by SilverSyko

But then again Sorcerer Battler can utilize magic and a sword unlike his piece counterpart can, so his play style could be changed up a bit.

Just a nitpick, but I'm pretty sure the Battler we play as is meta-Battler,
just one that focuses on blue truth like the old days since vanilla Ougon was focused on EP1-4.
the manner he converses with the other characters with and the fact that BATTLER disappears on the meta stage if Battler is played shows this.
My guess is that BATTLER will focus on that awesome golden longsword,
at least as his meta-super.

immblueversion · 2012-01-20, 02:51

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Originally Posted by CrimsonMoonMist

Just a nitpick, but I'm pretty sure the Battler we play as is meta-Battler,
just one that focuses on blue truth like the old days since vanilla Ougon was focused on EP1-4.
the manner he converses with the other characters with and the fact that BATTLER disappears on the meta stage if Battler is played shows this.
My guess is that BATTLER will focus on that awesome golden longsword,
at least as his meta-super.

Then maybe he could be some sort of expansion to Battler, like a retooling of his "Blue Truth"-exclusive fighting style to something a little more, shall we say, up-to-date with how he fights in the main series.

Or he could just be another wasted concept who was scrapped for no discernible reason.

Nanashi_1337 · 2012-01-20, 04:28

Like Rena from Higurashi. Oh come on, who wasn't disappointed that she wouldn't appear? I sure wanted to see her in a fight screaming "Usoda!!!".

Walterion · 2012-01-20, 05:39

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Originally Posted by immblueversion

I happen to have the voice rips, and I noticed something very interesting in them.

First of all, there's the characters' battle voice files. There's a chunk of voice files where they address their partners when they switch out with them. They're pretty standard stuff, but there's one thing every character says around that area: "Yes, Battler-sama." Even the characters who would never call him that in the main story.

Then there's the system voices, or the announcer voice files. There's a folder containing voices on the character and stage select screen, and among the names they mention, after naming all the names of the game's playable characters (including Will, Bern, and Lambda), they mention "Ushiromiya Battler" a second time, and it's exactly the same as the first time. In this case, I know they're not referring to Black Battler, because they just call him "Battler."

Lastly, also in the system voice files, there are the voices used to announce the winners of certain matches, like "Battler and Beatrice!" Again, after going through the names of all playable characters, they say Battler's name again, except it's a third time since the first two must refer to Battler and B. Battler.

Now, if we take that not-so-subtle shot at the beginning of Cross's OP into account, do you know what I've concluded? The developers have at least intended to include the Endless Sorcerer Battler in the game! However, there are no sprites of said character to support that claim. Then again, there are no sprites of Will, Bern, and Lambda either, and their names are still mentioned in the files (the voice files of other characters addressing them in gameplay exist). Yet still, there are a handful of sprites for Will, Bern, and Lambda hidden around, though there's no sign of the Endless Sorcerer. Instead there's a sprite of a goat...

In fact, here are the hidden sprites for Will, Bern, Lambda, and that suspicious goat for good measure. And yes, they're real. I would know, I uploaded them.

Spoiler for images:

I also found the names of their abilities in the files, but they clearly don't show what they do: Will's ability is called "Chain Boost," Bern's is "Meta Boost," and Lambda's is "Ultra PAR."

Oh dear god, here we go with the speculations and the datamining. We are in for a trip.

At least we should focus on the last part though, we know the names of the abilities... but what would they do is something that I find quite interesting. I would think ''Meta boost'' would be increasing the duration of Meta world, and ''Chain boost'' would be decreasing the damage reduction in long combos. Now you lost me with Ultra PAR, that's something that we will need a video to guess.
Also, the names were in an ability chart or they were in text?

Reagarding the ''Yes,Battler-Sama'' is when they tag in with B.Battler, they call him that sometimes.

Azule · 2012-01-20, 05:43

They do call Battler "Battler-sama" when he's B.Battler and they tag team, but I didn't really need much convincing that they'd add Sorcerer Battler. He features strongly in the OP, Blue Truth Battler is very much his Episodes 1-5 version, and the lack of a proper Battler/Beato story based around Chiru's events seems to hint towards that.

But uh, what's with that goat? >_>

o0Mystique0o · 2012-01-20, 09:08

Just a wild guess but isnt that the goat from lia's draw pose ?

maximilianjenus · 2012-01-20, 10:00

I hope they add the goat if just so, so dlanor is not the "fatest" character in the game. BATTLER would be quite different just by being a sword user. about will's skill I hope it's similar to lucifer's attack touch but instead of tagging it allows you to 6,6 after C one extra time.

Nanashi_1337 · 2012-01-20, 10:11

Bern's Meta Boost ability could be about boosting the time Metafield last, or maybe boosting overall stats while in Metafield only. First seems reasonable. If it's the first though, imagine yourself spamming Battler's big laser and having Stun Boost activated too, and I have to say, it scares me a little.

Will's Chain Boost could be about either reducing damage scaling or allowing easy combos that otherwise wouldn't be possible without the ability. Again, first seems reasonable, but oh god if we combine this with Dlanor.

Lambadelta's Ultra PAR ability, no clue. Maybe it makes her grabs impossible to escape? Or boosting damage of Metasupers only? Sorry, no clue at all.

**Klashikari** · 2012-01-20, 10:17

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Originally Posted by maximilianjenus

I hope they add the goat if just so, so dlanor is not the "fatest" character in the game. BATTLER would be quite different just by being a sword user. about will's skill I hope it's similar to lucifer's attack touch but instead of tagging it allows you to 6,6 after C one extra time.

No anything but that. The game suffers already way too much on the combo dominant playstyle. Allowing combo extention based on meta abilities is just way too dangerous and imbalanced.
Considering this type with Lucifer: normal touch, Lucifer combo then dash cancel with the ability, combo, regular dash cancel, meta cancel, combo, attack touch, battler combo, dash cancel, combo, meta super. The opponent is definitely stun mid way anyway.

Any combo extension shouldn't be allowed with ability aside with Lucifer, considering how stupid it can be.

Walterion · 2012-01-20, 10:17

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Originally Posted by Nanashi_1337

First seems reasonable. If it's the first though, imagine yourself spamming Battler's big laser and having Stun Boost activated too, and I have to say, it scares me a little.

HAW.

Just think about what you said here: If it the first (Bern's ability extending Meta world), spamming battler's big laser and having Stun boost (Ange's ability).
This game only supports 2 characters, maybe what you meant was: ''Having Bern's first choice ability with Battler spamming his beam would be equal to Battler spamming his beam with Ange's stun boost'' (?)

And also, notice that Lambda's ability has PAR on caps, maybe its an shortening of some word... or several. Maybe that would give us a better hint about it.

Nanashi_1337 · 2012-01-20, 10:59

Oh that's true. I forgot about it.

Then imagine Boss B.Battler with that ability

Azule · 2012-01-20, 11:05

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Originally Posted by Walterion

And also, notice that Lambda's ability has PAR on caps, maybe its an shortening of some word... or several. Maybe that would give us a better hint about it.

Ultra Parry? Ultra Paralyse?

Walterion · 2012-01-20, 11:29

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Originally Posted by Nanashi_1337

Oh that's true. I forgot about it.

Then imagine Boss B.Battler with that ability

CASE AND POINT why I say ''Try to beat this guy before Spring patch''. These 3 abilities on him and you are even more boned.

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Ultra Parry? Ultra Paralyse?

Sounds close enough, Ultra Parry sounds plausible.

Tong · 2012-01-20, 11:40

Maybe Par from latin as in "equal, quality".

LyricalAura · 2012-01-20, 11:55

Why not a bad romanization of "Ultra Paper", since she shortens "paper" to "paa" in the story?

Nanashi_1337 · 2012-01-20, 12:07

You may be right here. The problem is that I have no idea what ability she could use, if that's true. Maybe that it negates all Counter Hits, aka no attack will work as counter hit while this ability is activated?

Walterion · 2012-01-20, 12:08

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Originally Posted by LyricalAura

Why not a bad romanization of "Ultra Paper", since she shortens "paper" to "paa" in the story?

Good point, and she always claims that she is Super Paper. So that makes sense.

DoktorFunk · 2012-01-20, 13:51

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Originally Posted by LyricalAura

Why not a bad romanization of "Ultra Paper", since she shortens "paper" to "paa" in the story?

That assumption doesn't sound too ramndom, prencess. iirc, Rock-Paper-Scissors (Jankenpon), Rock='Guu', Paper='Paa', Scissors='Choki.' I could see some kind of twisty, curly super paper attack being included with plenty of sweet attacks.

I don't know if that even supports your argument. I just wanted to flex the stuff I learned watching Kaiji and make a bunch of bad puns.

Snow_Storm · 2012-01-20, 16:22

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Originally Posted by SilverSyko

Speaking of hidden data on the game, it's a little disappointing to see that Rena hasn't been added to the game yet even after her name was found within the files of the first release.

Pretty sure it was confrimed that Ryukishi07 did that just to mess with people heads. He knows that people love to rip files from his games, so he did that just for kicks.

Granted, if enough people beg, we might get Rena...one day.

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Azule Golden Witch Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: The Future Gadget Lab	They do call Battler "Battler-sama" when he's B.Battler and they tag team, but I didn't really need much convincing that they'd add Sorcerer Battler. He features strongly in the OP, Blue Truth Battler is very much his Episodes 1-5 version, and the lack of a proper Battler/Beato story based around Chiru's events seems to hint towards that. But uh, what's with that goat? >_> __________________ Total Seacat Island A not-so-average Umineko gameboard

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LyricalAura Dea ex Kakera Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Sea of Fragments	Why not a bad romanization of "Ultra Paper", since she shortens "paper" to "paa" in the story? __________________ "Something has fallen on us that falls very seldom on men; perhaps the worst thing that can fall on them. We have found the truth; and the truth makes no sense."

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Nanashi_1337 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011	Like Rena from Higurashi. Oh come on, who wasn't disappointed that she wouldn't appear? I sure wanted to see her in a fight screaming "Usoda!!!".

2012-01-20, 09:08	Link #2547
o0Mystique0o Boo. Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Netherlands	Just a wild guess but isnt that the goat from lia's draw pose ?

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maximilianjenus [E] Join Date: Mar 2008	I hope they add the goat if just so, so dlanor is not the "fatest" character in the game. BATTLER would be quite different just by being a sword user. about will's skill I hope it's similar to lucifer's attack touch but instead of tagging it allows you to 6,6 after C one extra time.

2012-01-20, 10:11	Link #2549
Nanashi_1337 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011	Bern's Meta Boost ability could be about boosting the time Metafield last, or maybe boosting overall stats while in Metafield only. First seems reasonable. If it's the first though, imagine yourself spamming Battler's big laser and having Stun Boost activated too, and I have to say, it scares me a little. Will's Chain Boost could be about either reducing damage scaling or allowing easy combos that otherwise wouldn't be possible without the ability. Again, first seems reasonable, but oh god if we combine this with Dlanor. Lambadelta's Ultra PAR ability, no clue. Maybe it makes her grabs impossible to escape? Or boosting damage of Metasupers only? Sorry, no clue at all.

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Nanashi_1337 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011	Oh that's true. I forgot about it. Then imagine Boss B.Battler with that ability

2012-01-20, 12:07	Link #2557
Nanashi_1337 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011	You may be right here. The problem is that I have no idea what ability she could use, if that's true. Maybe that it negates all Counter Hits, aka no attack will work as counter hit while this ability is activated?